Thanks for that video Sanji. I'm sure the tube says to apply before sun protection which is what I've been doing but according to the expert on the video it needs to be applied after the spf. I'll be trying it that way from now on to see if I get even better results

I've run out so I'm waiting to find it on offer. Last time I bought it I got 2 tubes for the price of 1, though I doubt I'll find that again.

H Shirley
I just wish they'd make their minds up about the product, and with a sun filter in it, there's no wonder people don't know when to use it, and I can't fathom out why they needed to add a sun filter if they're saying use it in the evenings.
I used to buy Eco-tan and that didn't contain any sun filters, so it was pretty straight forward and I used to have a shower in the evenings and apply it, I'd wait for it to be absorbed and then apply my normal moisturiser.

That dizzy blonde Claire makes me laugh, she obviously has no idea, it takes about 3 weeks for the melanocytes, which are situated in the basal layer of the skin to produce melanin, in a process called melanogenesis, which makes them come to the surface and she's saying you'll see the difference in a week....

Yeah, right, she evens butts in when Keeley says 3 weeks....I mean, who's supposed to be the Elemis expert between them. ?
Owt for a sale......if I was her, I'd stick to being dizzy.

Sanji

I thought that about the blonde girl too As soon as she said ...even a week will make a difference, I thought ye right, that's a sales pitch if ever I heard one. I agree about the factor 4 protection being pointless Why don't they leave it out and reduce the price of the product

TBH, I used to be addicted to QVC, I'd sit and watch all this cr@p and my bank balance took some serious hits every month, listening to people like AY who is their resident 'beauty expert', who is quite a dab hand sales woman at hitting selected groups of women with mis-information, she 'homes in' on the mature woman after 35 years old, she bangs on about looking after your skin when doing the school run, and then bleats nonsense to Afro-Caribbean women, as though she has that type of skin, crikey she's the colour of milk and has a phobia of the sun, and I can't honesty say that I've experienced the wonderful effects of anything that she has sold me and promised me.

I've splashed out and bought the Gatineau accelerator at times, which is another top of the range product.
In terms of value for money, well, QVC's price with P&P £45 is a lot and I've usually bought when it's been on "easy pay", but you can buy it for £32 in other outlets and in terms of comparing it with Elemis at around £19 for a 125 ml tube, then Gatineua at 400 mls works out cheaper because you'd need 3 tubes of Elemis to get 375 mls @ £57. (unless you dropped on a bargain with BOGOF)
And IMO, it works just as good because the key ingredient is either Glucose Tyrosinate or Psoralen (extracted from citrus oil) and all the rest are things like Shea butter, Jojoba and Vitamin E, which if you dabble in Aromatherapy, you'll know are not expensive.

I also like that the Gatineau accelerator is in a pump action bottle and I know it's a bit bulky to take on holiday, but I personally find it a lot easier to use than fiddling about with tube tops and trying to squeeze every last drop out of a tube, I usually just stand the bottle upside down for the remnants to drain to the neck of the bottle and then tap the bottle in the palm of my hand ( minus the pump part of course)

There's no sun filters in Gatineau, it's a top of the range product and you can use it morning or night (or both) on clean skin after a shower....simples.

http://www.qvcuk.com/ukdetail/ViewOptions.aspx?viewOption=watchvideo&item=225441&country=UK

Another thing...if you use stuff like Ultrasun which basically puts a plastic water resistant film over your skin, and then using the tan accelerator after, how is the accelerator going to sink into the skin.?
Ultrasun specifically say that their product should be applied to clean skin, yet Keeley said use the Ultrasun first, which is correct, then apply the Elemis tan accelerator.
Well, that's an awful lot of money at £19 a tube to be sitting on top of a plastic coating and going nowhere or doing owt.
Too much conflicting advice for my liking and you're right, there is no need for a useless sun filter in the product if you're going to use it before going to bed and wash it off in the morning.

Sanji

very confusing indeed Sanji. I think I'll stick to putting it on before my spf- It probably won't be able to absorb through the epidermis whilst you've got sun protection on.

I've used the Avon beta carotene in the same way as I've used the elemis and tbh I'm not sure that the elemis is any better. I've got some Avon one left so I may just stick with that unless Elemis come up with an offer I can't refuse.

I really didn't rate the Elemis at all, don't think it made any difference at all.
Just lately I have been using Maui Babe browning lotion which I find really works - even my son who never tans has used it and the difference is unbelieveable! I look like I have been abroad for a fortnight!

Do you use that before sunbathing Denny? I thought it was for sunbed use or can you use the ones for sunbed use in natural sunlight too?

There is a special one for tanning beds.
This one you put on after your normal sunscreen or you can use it on it's own - but would only do this here on a warm, not too hot day (we don't get many here in Manchester anyway LOL) I wouldn't do it abroad....It's dark brown in the bottle but is not a stain nor a self tanner. It's expensive £9.99 a small bottle but SO worth it!
Google it, loads of reviews....

shirley

Most of the Maui Babe browning lotion you can get in the UK is for use with natural sunshine. They do one especially for sunbeds but I haven't seen it very often.
I have used Maui Babe a few times. I haven't really noticed any difference worth speaking of. It smells of coffee, which I quite like, but is very greasy. Less is definitely more! Ok in the sea or big pool, but when I used it in the villa pool last year, the water didn't seem to appreciate it You apply it after your spf.

I do like the Maui Babe Aftersun though.

Edit - denny, where do you buy your Maui Babe from?

I got mine from http://www.beautybay.com

You will also need a good bath cleaner as well LOL, it leaves a great tide mark in the bath! But a small price to pay IMO

Thanks. Will have a look at that site. I usually frequent Ebay. I am going to give it one last chance when we go away in September.

I don't think I'm going to be able to use anything this year and I'm hoping that by the time 1st July comes around and we head to Spain for our jollies, I might be able to use some SPF, if this latest ointment works.
I used to suffer with eczema as a child, but I grew out of it and I've had a dry skin since the menopause, but a couple of months ago and 50 odd years later, I broke out in eczema mainly on both my arms from shoulder to wrist, which according to the quack has been brought on by stress and I can't use anything, even water sets me off ripping at my arms until they bleed, and I've got scabs and scars that look like someone who self harms.
When we had glorious weather the other week, I was pottering about in the garden with a stringy vest top on, and I had to go cover up and get out of the sun because even though I wasn't sat sunbathing and I was moving about, the sun set me off scratching at the eczema.....
Some holiday it's going to be if I don't get this cleared up soon, and I'm going to come back as white as I went

Sanji