Sorry for the long winded post here but feeling a bit upset and gutted that my partner and 3 friends of mine have had to cut our weekend short due to a bad hotel experience in england.
We arrived friday and checked into our hotel. First impressions weren't that good as when I opened the door to our roon two beetles scurried from under the door and several woodlice were crawling around. Quick glance around the room and saw many spiders, dead spiders and cobwebs. We were in a rush to meet some local friends so we dumped our bags leaving us with little time to inspect more. No one was complaining to each other in the group because we didn't want to put negative feeling around.
We arrived back from a meal late friday night and let ourselves in the rooms. Again another few beetles and woodlice ran from underneath the door. As my girlfriend is petrified of spiders i spent 30mins rounding up as many as I could and putting them out of the window. We managed to get to bed on a very uncomfortable bed where the matress offered no support and felt like we were sleeping on the slats all night.
My friends has issues with their room. The shower was mounted about 4ft up the wall due to low ceiling. Their third bed was what looked like garden chair foam on the floor. Although their room had recently been decorated it was still covered in spiders and cobwebs. I honestly believe the hoover and duster had never seen these rooms. We are young (25ish) and therefore not that fussy. We've stayed in hostels and student digs but do expect a standard for £85 and £75 night
Woke up next morning, went to breakfast. Found we were the only guests staying in the hotel. Ate the breakfast and fished around the dirt and cobweb in the sugar bowl. Got back to the rooms and under the light of day we were able to see how dirty the room was. Flaking paint, mould around the bathroom and windows, dirty carpet, makeup stained towels, stain on the bed sheets, cracked light fitting and hundreds of cobwebs showing the room had not been cleaned in a long time. We then tried to have a shower which was broken. We asked for another room but was told by the manager he'd fix the shower. He didn't and couldn't. He just replaced the shower head which didn't fix the problem. He said the head was blocked due to hard water in the area so could not offer a solution to the problem. That was the straw the broke the camel's back. The group got together and decided to check out straight away. With all the shower problems etc we had admittedly gone past the 11am check out time. It was now 12 midday. We went to reception where we asked to check out. The manager said yes but he'd charge us for both nights. My friends and I stayed very calm all throughout but the manager and his wife were screaming at us in front of customers and accussing us of dirtying the towels and that providing a shower was not in the contract. We were also told to count ourselves lucky as the rooms should have been £95 a night and not £85 and £75 they had quoted us. We were told we were the only ones to have complained in 6years but as the conversation went on the manager admitted complaints of the same nature as ours (why hadn't they done anything about it?!). The manager was about to strike a deal until his wife got heated again. The conversation was going no where. They wanted their money, we weren't paying for two nights. We wanted to pay for the 1 night we used. It all came to a head when the wife of the manager started pointing at my partner dismissing us all as kids. She then got abusive accusing my partner of putting make-up on the towels. My partner asked the woman not to speak to her in that way. Then the woman squared up to her to hit her but I got between them. We were promptly kick out of the pub/hotel minus our room keys.
We then sat outside calling people for advice and calling other hotels. Advice was varied and left us with the decission to either drive off with out paying, or to re-enter the pub/hotel we had just been banned from and cough up in full regardless of us staying a second night, which we were now not welcome to. We decided to wait and see if we were approached for the money. After an hour nothing happened so we drove off. They ONLY details they have of us is our car registration numbers. Just for the record we were not shown and contract, not told of any cancellation policy or fees, didn't sign anything, didn't see any papers at all.
This experience has left us with little trust in British hotels. We are british ourselves but our hotels/customer service doesn't seem to be a patch on experiences we've all had in America, Canada and most or Europe.
What hotel was it? It would be nice to be able to avoid this one.
Killingworth castle inn, in Oxfordshire near Woodstock. Mods feel free to remove that info if you like. Their rooms look nice on the website and weren't the ones we stayed in. Also says they have showers on the website but I was told yesterday that supplying a working shower wasn't in the contract.
My word what an eye opening story. We go abroad and condemn nations and races because of bad holiday experiences, whilst ignoring or not being aware of, how awful our own country is.
We've no proper hotel rating system, and Fawlty Towers and worse is not fiction, it's reality.
Even worse, we tend to book privately and don't have the Package Holiday Regulations to protect us.
Don't know what to suggest, but I thought I'd express a little support at the very least.
Peter
They advertise 'all with fully en suite facilities'. That includes a working shower IMO.
You sure it wasn't fawlty towers that you stayed in?
If not, well you didn't end up paying and will have to chalk it down to experience.
Unbelievable attitude by the owners though!
Whilst I have some sympathy with your experience as I read your posting, you left without paying. Is that correct?
Good for you.
If they have your contact details they will get in touch.
Dont think i would pay the full amount for the one night if it was that bad.
We've calmed down now. Wasted weekend and as someone said to put it down to bad experience. If they catch up, my partner works in law although in personal injury, I'm sure one of the other solictors will write letters if need be.
I believe that if you visit a restaurant and the dining experience is not what you are happy with you are at liberty to refrain from paying but you MUST provide the restaurant with your name and address. The restaurant may then sue you for the mmoney in a court of law should they feel they can justify themselves.
I'm uncertain if this same facility exists with a hotel - but it might. I presume that the hotel has your name and address details - if not, you might be best advised to provide such to the hotel in a letter explaining why you did not tender payment at the time of your dismissal from the hotel.
Turning to the second night's charge. Just because you gave notice of intent to cancel the second night after the required room vacation time of 11:00am seems to be irrelevant to me (my opinion only). There clearly comes a time when giving such notice could be considered too late but I'd class that to be 15:00 at the earliest, 18:00 at the latest.
Next, did you secure your booking with a credit card? If so, you might find the hotel have simply charged your card with the total cost. As such a transaction would clearly be in excess of £100 you could take the matter up with the credit card company as they are equally liable for the misdemeanours of their merchants. Section 75 of the consumer credit act covers you on this one. I'd have thought the whole sum could be "frozen" pending agreement between yourselves and the hotel. Cite the failure to provide services (shower) as described in the web-site - this appears to me to be a breach of contract.
Let us know the outcome.
Mike
If I were you, do the legal thing, pay your bit and you can always claim it back ----- from an outsiders point of view you could be someone who has had a free night etc and just gone without paying ----------------
Just take care ----------
PS Have stayed at many hotels etc in the UK and NEVER had this problem - next time use the review sites If you want to send a PM we can recommend plenty!
Good luck
Someone had booked in for a week. He thought he recalled this guy from 4 years earlier - he did a runner.
He also contacted his old partner and when the guy came in he saw us and tried to run. Yes it was the same guy.
If you leave without paying and not giving details then it suggests that you had no intention of paying. At least that is what your posting says to me.
To quote you "The ONLY details they have of us is our car registration numbers."
You deserve to be prosecuted.
fwh
Am just concerned that if you challenge these people you are actually, legally, in the right ---- if you get my drift. You have to look at it from an outsiders point of view - if the hotel was that rubbish why have a second breakfast ??? Any sign of cobwebs and creepy crawlies would send me packing immediately ---
Am NOT saying I agree but you have to look at it from both sides
Just make sure that you KNOW that you are in the right before you challenge them!
Let us know how it goes -----
The way I understand the origional post James 5 offered to pay for one night which the owner refused to accept. He and his friends were then kicked out of the hotel. I feel he is only obligated to pay for one night and Presto's advice to send a cheque is correct. I would also send a cover letter giving reasons for early departure ie. dirt, shower not working and also inform the tourist office in Woodstock about the state of the hotel.
I feel that fwh stating that James should be prosecuted for leaving without paying is over the top. James had been kicked out of the hotel, what was he supposed to do force his way back in to hand over money.
I'm afraid there are quite a few hotels in the UK that offer really bad standards of cleanliness and service. Until retirement I worked in the Leisure Industry and have heard similar stories from visitors from abroad.
Apologies if the reference to the 2nd breakfast is wrong - have just reread it all - my misunderstanding. I think as I skim read it the fact that they'd checked out at 12 noon made me think they'd had breakfast - opps. Even so, if you check out late there are problems -------- breakfast or no breakfast.
Seriously though. am only concerned that they cover their backs and make sure that they are 'legal' - if the hotel owners weren't !
I agree with what you say, it's never a good idea to leave without paying and finding a way i.e. sending a cheque seems to be the best way to cover their backs.
I feel that fwh stating that James should be prosecuted for leaving without paying is over the top.
Why? He has stated that they left without giving their details. And boasts about it by saying all they got were our car registrations. That is f.r.a.u.d just the same way as if you gave a false name and address. By booking in then he has entered into a contract. The argument is did the hotel default on the contract.
If he had said here is my name and address - sue me for it then it would be different. He would be saying in effect, I am disputing the bill, you have not supplied the goods/services that you were contracted to do. I am prepared to defend this legally.
fwh
Although they are entitled to their views.
I dont think in any way you had the intention of not paying and dont see any reason to be charged for the two nights, when you only stayed one.
If their place is that bad they wont last long .
THIS to be an accurate statement as to the law. There is a danger that the tables could be turned on James5 if the hotelier reports the matter to the police, or traces him independently through his vehicle registration number and institutes private legal proceedings.
Overall I think it would be prudent for James5 to supply the hotelier with his name and address order to cover himself legally against allegations of dishonesty. It's the old adage - two wrongs don't make a right, and it could bounce right back in Jame5's face.
Taking the advice of fellow posters is all well and good, but it can't be cited in a court of law as your defence if it's wrong!
Does Ros Fernihough advise on cases like this, please?
Peter
This could be a tricky legal situation. I believe Overall I think it would be prudent for James5 to supply the hotelier with his name and address order to cover himself legally against allegations of dishonesty. It's the old adage - two wrongs don't make a right, and it could bounce right back in Jame5's face.
Taking the advice of fellow posters is all well and good, but it can't be cited in a court of law as your defence if it's wrong!
Does Ros Fernihough advise on cases like this, please?
Peter
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