Over the last 6/7 months we have been involved in many exchanges of correspondence with Thomson and ABTA reference the nightmare start we had to our holiday.
Thomson are not going to offer any gesture of goodwill or any compensation and have suggested if we feel strongly enough about the issue to take up the matter in the courts, however I thought I would seek some advice first. I do not want to chance needed money if they are not to blame or responsible.
Replacement Pilot
When we arrived for our evening flight from Exeter to Majorca we were informed it could be 1 hour late, but word soon got around that this was caused by a delay first thing in the morning and that the pilot would not be able to fly us as it would have taken him over his permitted 11 hours. Thomson knew this first in the morning but did not attempt to get a replacement pilot until late in the afternoon. The replacement pilot had to be brought down from Gatwick, but instead of flying him down (obvious choice) they decided to drive him down, which meant a 5 hour delay for us and not the suggested 1 hour.
Dodgy Plane
Eventually 5 hours late we boarded the plane, only to be sat there for a further 45 minutes not being told anything. Eventually the pilot announced that due to the delay we had to wait for a new flight plan to arrive"¦. From Germany of all places!!
When the Flight Plan eventually arrived, there was another delay and then the pilot advised us there was another problem"¦.. One of the computers was not working, so he was going to try in his own words do like we would do to our home computers, i.e., "turn it off and turn it back on again and hope that it fixed it". This did not fill any of us with any confidence and there were a few at the back of the plane who got quite worried and started to panic.
Re-booting the computer did not fix the problem. He then decided he had to power off the plane completely; all of this with everyone still on the plane. Now I am no H&S Expert but just knew sat on a fully fuelled plane in complete darkness was not right. Obviously he wanted to save any further delay by off loading us all but when it comes to safety there should be NO shortcuts.
After this also failed he eventually had to get an engineer in to fix it, we eventually took off 7 hours late. Everyone was very tired and stressed what a start to a hard earned holiday!!
Dodgy Coach Transfer
We eventually arrived at Palma airport, but there was not a Thomson rep anywhere to be found.
After a very long wait for our luggage, we eventually found our way to the coaches but once again no Thomson rep could be seen anywhere. Nobody was able to find our Coach, but eventually one of the others from our flight tracked down a Thomson rep who informed us we were on coach number 111. The reason we could not find it was because we were actually to be put on a shabby coach belonging to another company.
Before we left a rep from some company got on saying everyone should put their seatbelts on and then got off. The problem, there was no seat belts fitted and my wife and I were in the front seats.
The coach eventually set off and as we were all so tired expected to sleep on route to Alcudia, however this was not to be. First of all it was just like the driver did not know where he was going, breaking harshly before junctions and turning corners sharply. We certainly did not go the Motorway route we returned on.
Then there was a smell of smoke coming from the front and it turned out the driver was smoking but trying to disguise the fact by holding the cigarette inside a clenched fist. He then held this hand outside the window whilst driving a coach full of Thomson guests with only one hand.
Thomson Reps in Hotel
With getting in so late we missed breakfast and the "welcome" meeting (or the sell whatever they can to you meeting!!). However when explaining to them the reason, they suggested we should fill in a Report Form and should be compensated for all the hassle.
Even at this stage my concern was more of a H&S ISSUE and not about compensation, but unfortunately Thomson always think the paying customer is only after compensation.
Thomson Response
Basically all Thomson have said is they apologise for everything that happened but under their guidelines cannot offer any compensation. They said they take all complaints seriously"¦. Bla bla bla, and that each aspect would be investigated thoroughly. However when I asked for feedback on findings, they said that was not possible"¦. In other words they would probably be doing sweet FA!!
Question
Does anyone think this is still worth perusing or should I just accept Thomson for what they are, a company who appear even worse since their merger with First Choice. ABTA have provided details of how to proceed if we wish, but as I said at the start of topic I am concerned at the cost to me.
Are there any other bodies who would be interested in this story, such as a Holiday Watchdog type program or newspaper? Or are these problems common and nothing compared to their usual type of complaint?
Try contacting the solicitor on this forum - Ros - I'm sorry I can't remember her surname. I know she has helped many people on here, & would be the best person to advise you.
Perservere with them. It is like banging your head on a brick wall. It took us 5 letters to even get them to admit that everything on our flight was not as described, this after incurring a 12.5 hour delay (this started 14 months ago) We have just about reached a settlement after courts summons.
It isn't expensive to go to the small claims if you want to go down that route but make sure you have tried your hardest to sort it yourselves first, which it sounds like you have.
All I really need to know is if I have any case to answer to.
I would have thought this would have been a simple one of those... as a gesture of goodwill type close outs and be done with it. But for whatever reason they are not moving on their stance. Mind you I think a lot of the time it depends on which person you actually deal with.
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Glynis HT Admin
2009-05-11 16:20:40
Edit to correct post as per members instructions
OK, a breakfast and a briefing was missed, but is it worth all the hassle pursuing compensation for that?
Peter
The direct number to Ros's PA Pam is 01922 705134
Or try the switchboard number 01922 633214 and ask for Travel Dept.
I do however agree with Peter of York. Flight delays happen on a regular basis. The manner in which Thomson, or any other TO or company operate their business is a personal opinion. It might make sense but it is for them to decide how they do things.
Drivers smoking at the wheel and having mobile phone conversations seem to be standard practice when abroad.
Your comments re Health & Safety are I am afraid a personal viewpoint. Here in the UK everything would appear to be governed by regulations and I would find it strange if anything they did was not compliant. The same cannot be said outside the UK and to make other countries adopt the policy here in the UK would be treated by them with disdain. Did you take the advice of the rep who suggested you complete a complaint form in resort?
fwh
You had a non successful start to your holiday but I can't see anything there that will warrant compensation.
On reflection the way the pilot handled the computer on the plane was the biggest concern, especially with it being only 2 days after a major plane crash in Spain. Turning off all the power, including lights and air conditioning, in pitch darkness was not a nice experience.
As I said in my post I was not going to complain and it was in fact the Thomson Representatives who encouraged me to complete a holiday report form. It was also them who said we should not have experienced that sort of start to our holiday and should be looking towards compensation.
If everything that happened to us was the norm, and we accept Thomson will use local Benny Hill Coaches if customers have missed their main Thomson Coaches due to late arrivals, then I suppose you are all right.
I think the fact the reps encouraged us to persue the issue, coupled with the very bad after sales/complaint department has made this whole issue a lot worse for us.
However the reason for posting in the first place was to gauge the views of you kind folks and thanks for the responses. It would appear I would be wasting my time and effort pushing this any further, and is probably time to learn from experience.
I have been sat on an aircraft when the power went off, it was a bit un-nerving but as I am not a pilot or aircraft engineer I couldn't say if it was a H & S issue.
Re seatbelts, in fairness it is standard reps spiel to advise that they are worn, whether guests do or not is up to them and here in Cyprus, if a coach is over a certain number of years old they are not required to have them fitted. It sounds like your coach and driver were laid on at short notice due to the delay. Hence the Benny Hill style bus and not very good driver.
They probably do think you are after compensation, that is the culture we live in these days.
Having been through the complaints route before I can assure you that it is a long drawn out process and that you really need a list of complaints as long as your arm before you obtain any form of satisfactory response from them.
In this case I don't think that the complaints will stand and you would be best to just put them behind you because I doubt that it will get anywhere(sorry).
I thought Spanish law requires anyone facing a window or sitting on the middle seat of the back row HAS to wear a seatbelt. IE, the coach by law has to have these seats fitted with belts? Thats what the rep always says anyway!
I thought Spanish law requires anyone facing a window or sitting on the middle seat of the back row HAS to wear a seatbelt.
Even if this is the case, I can't see what can be done about it now.
Peter
Nothing, I was just making the point!
Working for a company who take H&S very seriously, I cannot understand Thomsons apparent lack of interest.
I am going to drop the subject with Thomson now but am still annoyed that it was not me who first mentioned compensation. I would have thought Thomson would have been more grateful for me raising the issues in the first place and not took the stance they did. If I were them I would have sent me a very nice letter thanking me for taking the time and trouble to raise these issues and sent me a discount voucher towards another holiday as a gesture of gratitude / goodwill.
The only Lesson I have Learned from Experience is that Thomson Do Not Care, and they want to grab every penny they can.
I always used to look at Thomson as a good company, but have obviously changed my mind as a result. Who would other posters say was the company to look up to or be the ones to beat?
Who would other posters say was the company to look up to or be the ones to beat?
I think that's a question to ask on this forum - http://www.holidaytruths.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=43
Peter
I work in a chain restaurant and believe me ,the customer is ALWAYS right even if they are wrong ,so why so different in this industry....
I'd really be interested in other people's views on this
The Travel industry has better lawyers.... in a nutshell.....
In general you are dealing with call centres and emailing and I think this environment breeds bad customer service and 'buck passing'.
In a restaurant you are dealing with people face to face and it seems different. Years ago I also worked in restaurants and the customer was also always right even when they were wrong. Its easier to be uncaring at the end of a phone or an email but not to someone when you can see their disappointment written all over their face due to their steak breaking their teeth or similar.
We were supposed to fly home 5.55am from Zante to Glasgow On Monday 25/5/9. Coach collected us at 4.10am from hotel then Nightmare started. In departure lounge we were informed plane unable to land due to fog and delay could be about 12 hours. Some guy shouted this upstairs to us as tannoy not working. Hung around for a couple of hours - no cafe only duty free quickly running out of packs of juice. Found a water dispenser, got a drink of water but when I went back they had been 'removed to be refilled'. Seemed to be plenty of Thomas Cook reps but noThomson reps. By this stage there were 3 plane loads of passengers in departures all lying anywhere they could. We were then taken out of departures (once everyone had handed in their duty free stuff and got a receipt. as not allowed to take it out of airport). We were eventually loaded onto buses with our luggage and told we were being taken to a hotel and later would be ferried across to Kefalonia to board our plane. Several people asked about the duty free they had just left at Zante airport so the rep arranged for it to be brought to the hotel. At about 11.30am we reached our hotel and were offered breakfast. We were also given a room. Lunch was also offered until 2.30pm. At 5pm a bus arrived to take us the ferry. Several people had a phobia about boats but the rep said there was nothing he could do about that. The bus arrived at the port at 6pm where we were told there was a cafe and the ferry would be leaving at 7.15pm I pointed out to the rep that perhaps he should be buying any refreshments which he eventually agreed to. So we all trooped into this tavern with our luggage in tow. The air conditioning on the bus to the port was not working and by this stage several passengers were feeling extremely distressed. The weather was sweltering. I heard someone ask about food but the rep said we would have a meal on the plane. The ferry duly left Zante at 7.15 for the 1hr 15min crossing to Kefalonia., whereupon we got on yet another bus with our luggage and half an hour later arrived at the airport. There the staff attempted to usher us through as quickly as possible. The people with duty free items had again to hand it in and were given receipts. Prior to take off this was then given to the passengers. The plane took off at 11pm We were then told as Kefolonia is a small airport there were no catering facilities so no meals (which I had paid for) We were all given a cheese and ham roll, a packet of snacks, bite size milky way and tea or coffee. No choices were available and there weren't even any soft drinks available. Remember amongst this group there were children, elderly people, diabetics, pregnant women etc.. By this stage most of us had been on the go for at least 19 hours. Within no time the majority of us were sleeping. 3 and a half hours later we landed at Glasgow. Some uf us (including myself and husband) were stranded as there was no public transport available at that time in the morning. I had told the rep this while still in Zante but he didn;t seem interested and there were no reps at Glasgow. 2 passengers had not received their duty free (£100 worth). We took a taxi home and shall be claiming it from Thomsons. Several people were also missing work but we were not offered any assistance regarding phone calls etc...All this happened because of fog at Zante and the fact they do not have ground radar there then the fight crew had done their maximum flight time. Although Zante was lovely and we had a great holiday I wont be going back there until they do have ground radar or book better flight times when it is more likely to be clear. There seemed to be a mist coming in as we left so I dont know what happened the next day. Never again. UK holidays are starting to appeal even more.
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