Andy, why do you find it so hard to acknowledge that not everybody regards it as an unalloyed benefit and hence are unable to accept that for some people these changes are not welcome? Yes, of course the majority of people cope - that doesn't mean that everybody does and/or will. It doesn't surprise me that at 73 (which I agree is not old) your Mum has made the transition and has found it easy to get the hang of using IT but she is 12 years younger than my parents. Both my parents are trained touch typists and their excellent keyboard skills stand them in good stead with the electric typewriter that they still regularly use but they are 85 and that 12 years makes a huge difference.
They retired in 1988 in the pre-PC, pre-Windows era and when if you wanted a truly user friendly interface you had to pay an arm and a leg for an Apple Mackintosh. My brother and I had both stopped living with them and had our own homes some distance away from them at least 10 years earlier in the mid/late 70s, pre-Sinclair, pre-BBC B and when Amstrad made only budget audio equipment. They never had the experience that perhaps your Mum had of seeing their kids routinely use the gear - had they done so, and like Sanji had a personal technie (or just either myself or my brother close to hand) then they too might have been able to make that technological leap. But they didn't, they never had to learn to use them for their work and never had someone easily at hand to show them. My Dad has made the attempt - with my brother's guidance he bought himself a decent laptop, signed up for Virgin Broadband when they went cable for the TV at the time of the digital switchover and went to classes but found the pace was too fast for him to really absorb everything because in reality nobody else in the class was starting from the point of absolute and complete ignorance as he was. He ended up feeling defeated and demoralised, as I suspect many of us would in his position, and the laptop and Broadband are now only used by the rest of the family when we visit.
My parents are not daft or stupid, and I hope that you weren't implying that they are just because they find using computers a skill too far them at their age. They both held down very responsible senior positions in their working lives, which is perhaps part of the problem - they had junior staff who dealt with the day to day practicalities. This included my Mum, as head of a wages department, overseeing the computerisation of the wages records etc just before she retired. It's one of the reasons she decided not to work past 60 as the company would have liked her to do because she saw this as the right time to handover to the next generation and her successor that she had trained up. She made sure her staff who would actually be using them where trained up but didn't see the need to go on the training herself because she had staff who would be doing the donkey work for her. It never occurred to her, and I bet it didn't occur to many other people of her age and seniority that in 25 years time she would need to know how to use one so she could book a cheap flight!
So, yes, this change has worked well for most of EasyJet's customers in the recent past and in future will no doubt work well for all those who stick with being Easjet customers because the only people who will be using them are those who can use that system. However, on the figures you give, they are potentially going to lose the 20% of their customers who have preferred not to check-in on line so far for whatever reason. All I am asking is that you stop assuming that it will work well for everybody who would like to be an EasyJet customer and to stop dissing them for not being able to make it work for them.
SM
I'm one of those silver surfers that Sanji mentions. I'm in my 70's and have no problem with sending emails, ordering goods, flights etc but if my OH wasn't computer smart would have great difficulty fixing things with my computer when they go wrong. So yes I'm baffled by technology. I do know a few people in their 80's and even their nineties who have computers and are quite competent but the majority are like Sm's parents and have to rely unhappily on family to carry out various tasks.
I'm actually feeling rather patronised by you actually discussing what someone of my age is capable of accomplishing and the statement that someone shouldn't be travelling if they can't afford to buy a printer really quite uncalled for.
My friend finds the online check in a great advantage as, she only ever checks themselves in on the outbound journey. Then towards the end of their holiday they decide whether to have an extended stay or not. They then go to an Internet cafe & print off their tickets or change their booking.
Of course in the meantime they will charge a fortune to all those who turn up without a boarding pass. I can't find anything on their t&cs to say what it would be. Isn't ryanairs fee £70?
Judith wrote:Andy
I'm actually feeling rather patronised by you actually discussing what someone of my age is capable of accomplishing and the statement that someone shouldn't be travelling if they can't afford to buy a printer really quite uncalled for.
Quite honestly I do not think I have made any patronising remarks or ageist comments , quite the opposite actually , the comments I have made were in reference to how my own mum copes with technology and life in general I would certainly not disrespect her , so why someone else of a similar age ???
I did not make a statement that " someone shouldn't be travelling if they can't afford to buy a printer"
I actually said " if you can't afford a printer then can you really afford to book a flight " Which is factually correct because ryanair charge £70 to print a boarding card each way , and I suppose EJ will make a similar charge in the future . So can you really afford to book a flight ???? Because if you don't have a printer it's going to cost you an awful lot of money !!!!!
SMA, you have said , " my parents are not daft or stupid, and I hope that you weren't implying that they are ...."
Of course I'm not implying that they are , because I've made no comment about your parents , where in my posts have I had said that people are daft and stupid ???
You say that EJ are going to potentially lose the 20% of their customers who have preferred not to check in online for whatever reason , well perhaps some of those just don't bother and decide to check in at the airport , this is what the OP , Darren was referring to , EJ are sending out emails encouraging people to checkin online as they make the transition to bag drop only , in my posts I'm only stating what EJ are doing and my opinion is that I understand the business decision they are making and why they are making it , I also do understand and acknowledge that changes are not always welcome ( despite the fact that you think I have difficulty with this ) nothing is ever universally accepted when a change is made , but from some of the posts on here its like EJ have made a unfair attack on the older generation and are discriminating against them and I really don't think they have , they are not excluding anyone just because of age , I agree the change will have an effect on some people but that would apply to any age group .
Finally, ..... I'm only expressing my opinions , and whilst you might not agree with them and I might not agree with yours , I do respect that it is your opinion , and I while I'm happy for you to criticise my opinions ( that's fair)
I do not feel it is right for personal remarks to be made that say I am implying comments I have not made and quoting statements that are incorrect .
EZY are also trialling mobile boarding passes at Stansted, Southend, Manchester, Edinburgh, Amsterdam and Nice. You can download them to iPhone or Android and they are stored offline, so you don't need network coverage,or wi-fi, and no roaming charges.
Ive never needed one and cope without one.
I have just come back from a holiday flying with Easyjet and did worry before hand regarding the bag drop and pre booked boarding pass but all went OK.
I dont book my holidays on line but look for the web price and am always given this price by the travel agents.
The only thing I did not like was the mile long queue at passport control at Gatwick.
Thank goodness we only use this airport once or twice a year.
I now either pop to the library or ask a friend to print my tickets.
Pity , about the wait at passport control , believe me it was worse early last year !! I thought that UKBA had sorted out most of the problems by now , and I didn't wait long when coming through in march this year , although it was an early morning arrival ( probably not enough time for the queues to build up ) !!
I use it about 3 to 4 times a year , but I'm using London city next time for the first time , it will be interesting to compare , and I use Heathrow once a year and that was very good , sorry
They may have charged a small fee but it was around the same price as I found by pricing the holiday myself.
They are especially good for their prices when booking a package from one of the big 3 operators.
Sometimes as much as half the price.
Also I was reading their t&c s / privacy policy and they clearly set out about the booking conditions of suppliers and what is covered and what constitutes a package etc , ( always a bone of contention in the complaints on this forum) , they appeared to be very upfront about this .
A good option if you want to book an EJ flight ( or any other suitable flight ) and want them to do the processes for you , free phone number too !!
I have used them for many years and they used to give nurses a discount.
They have a few on line travel companies under their wing including Sunshine.co.uk who are very competitive.
I have had the best deals from their homeworkers via teletext.
Thomson and Thomas Cook are next door to each other just round the corner to Hays so plenty of competition.
They find the best prices for the Easyjet flights and it worked out cheaper for me us to go for 10 days rather than 7 due to the difference in flight prices.
When I book a dynamic package they always charge £10 for supplier failure cover which seems to be a grey area.
In October 2011 they did a dynamic package for me and it was half the First Choice package price,despite using Thomson flights and to the same accommodation.
So what exactly is the procedure when arriving at Luton airport (next Wednesday). I have printed our boarding passes online and we have a suitcase each to go in the hold, plus hand luggage. How do we get our suitcases weighed and do we still have to queue up to have them weighed and show our passports?
I've just sent you a PM too !!! Hope all went well , have a good holiday
Thanks Andy.
However the easyjet flight to Cagliari was on time and comfortable and coming back the Cagliari bagdrop had no queue.
Mind you to be fair easyjet do a nice cup of coffee onboard
hi could some please tell me once ive checked in on line where would i drop off my bag im flying with easy jet, im normally use to checkin in first then goin through customs but i dont know where to go once ive checked in on line where at gatwick airport would i drop off my bag does anyone know please do let me know thanks
Welcome onboard
Just drop your bags off at the Easyjet bag drop off desk, just have a look at the screens when you get to the airport. Its just like normal check in, but only for your luggage. If you dont have luggage to check in, you can go straight through security to the departure lounge. That's where the big advantage is.
Darren
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