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I've never experienced heavyhanded security at either Holguin, Havana or Santiago (internal flights only) but I guess that I've never questioned their need for it. When the last remaining superpower insists on holding what it keeps telling us is the greatest collection of terrorists and risk to world peace in your backyard rather their own territory you might get a little jumpy and want to check that none of their co-terrorists are coming to cause trouble or attempt a 'rescue mission'. What better cover could there be than to enter Cuba under the guise of being a package tourist?

In my experience at Holguin anf Havana the sniffer dogs are let loose to run around and have a good sniff at passengers queuing up at passport control whilst others are allowed to run free having a good sniff at the incoming baggage. I've only seen them doing a hand search of any bags that the dogs took an interest in. The latter is is common practice at most airports these days, its just that it normally takes place in the baggage holding area and we don't see it. Flights from Tenerife and Tunisia into Manchester are notorious for long delays before your cases appear on the carousel. Why? Because the customs sniffer dogs are having a good time searching out the tobacco that people try and smuggle in from both destinations.

And it's worth bearing in mind that the questions Stevebell001 was asked by Cuban immigration staff are exactly the same as immigration staff in this country ask of non-EU passport holders whether they arrive on a package charter or not. I think that our immigration staff run a close second to only the USA immigration service for intrusive questionning of non-nationals.

And of course, all security people the world over will home in on anybody who appears to be uncomfortable or to be resenting the actions of the police or security staff. Go to Cuba and behave as if you are visiting a police state where you can expect to be hassled and you'll have your suspicions confirmed in my experience. On the other hand, answer any questions you're asked cheerfully with a smile and you'll be treated courteously and with a smile in return. And if you have a few words of Spanish - even if it's only 'Hola!' the response will be even better.

Also, wages are low but not quite as low as the above message suggests. A docter is more likely to receive the equivalent of CUC25 per week not per month. And there is a local peso economy (25 to CUC1) which most tourists never encounter and which means that food is very cheap compared to here. Don't get me wrong - there is a lot of poverty around compared to here and housing conditions are almost universally bad for most of the population but they have better literacy and numeracy rates than us, a lower infant mortality than their nearest neighbours including the USA and more docters per 1,000 head of population than we do in the UK. The social system and economy is very different to ours and it's important to remember that direct comparisons are, therefore, not always possible.

SM
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Well I'm blowed, all the Cubans lied to us then, but this is not the place to pursue it as it is off topic. As I have only been on one holiday and SM appears to have lived or worked there my info is the more suspect.

I was not knocking anything, just stating facts which are that if you go to the PP, you will probably arrive at Holguin where there is a high probability that at least one person off the plane will be searched, a fairly painless but time consuming process. When you arrive at the hotel and start talking to the locals you will hear the stories.

This does not detract from the fact that the hotel, its staff and most of the people you meet are great. Watch out for the coffee bar where the large helpings of Mocha, Latte, Spanish and Brazillian do not do a lot for the personal excess baggage!
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Thanks stevebell001 for all the info. If we are searched at the airport we won't take it too personally. Also, the info on the hotel, etc has been really useful. The children are looking forward to the cat/dolphin trip now and a day out to Holguin. I was getting worried reading the current weather reports for Holguin but now that I know they may miss us I am delighted!!

Thank you too SM for your information. I have a friend who works in airline security in Glasgow and they echo what you say about security measures. I was planning to have our cases "shrink wrapped" (as per Foreigh Office advice) but don't know if this is such a good idea incase we are picked out. Any advice?

Only 11 more days to go. Roll on.

Lou :lol:
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Forgot to say that if anyone wants to do the "lift" trick at the Dolphinarium then tell the guide at the dolphinarium asap as I don't think all the dolphins do it so you need to be in the correct enclosure. We were in the one on the left just before the show arena.

As for the meal, the options were shrimps or chicken. I've seen smaller lobsters and we were just gasping at the plate of about 6 or 7 "prawns" when they brought the half chickens so be prepared to eat! My veggie daughter was given an Omelette with no problems.

The meal on the Holguin day out was unfortunately another matter.
We were given chips, rice and chicken but individually. 4 people to a table so a plate of chips was put down to share out. To beat the flies you have to eat the chips first, then a plate with four "balls of rice" arrived. again scoffed to beat the flies then a plate with four bits of chicken! needless to say the tip was not much so they may cotton on and improve matters. Must highlight that there was nothing wrong with the food, only the presentation.. My daughter did best again with a personalised omelette.
Had a very interesting experience on the Holguin trip, which I wont put on the site as one never knows who reads the posts, but it all added to the days enjoyment.
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Firstly are any of you going to be at the PP on the 1st August?

Secondly how and where do you get your suitcase "shrink" wrapped?

I'm now getting rather worried about Hurricanes and rain!!! What will I do with two children if it rains all day? Maybe I should have thought of this prior to booking.
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in answer to your question about what to do with two children if it rains, don't worry there is plenty to do at the PP. We went last June and it rained non stop a couple of afternoons, in our group there were 4 children aged 8 - 13yrs and they kept themselves occupied in the games room or the pool tables.
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Hi Lou1726 and Lisa_London,

Unless you have a really secure rigid case with decent built-in locks then I would suggest that you do have your case shrink-wrapped before checking-in - I've only ever flown with Cubana from Gatwick and there are a number of places in South Terminal that do it for a fiver. Can't say I've noticed whether there's anybody at North Terminal doing it or whether it's available at other airports but most UK package visitors go from Gatwick rather than with Iberia or Air France from regional airports via Madrid and Paris respectively.

An alterantive tip I was given and I've always used, is to securely tape up your case with brown parcel sticky tape. For example, if you have a zip case to wrap it round and round over the length of zip or to bind it round and round your case in the way you'd use a luggage strap. Not a 100% secure none of these things are but it serves the purpose of making it obvious if a case has been opened and that's the point. Thiefs will target the 'easy' cases and the purpose is to encourage them to choose somebody else's! It's a real hassle to get off at the other end - especially if you've packed your pen knife inside said case - but that's why it's such a cheap but effective deterrent. I now always pack a roll for use on the return journey. The really paranoid then carry the half-used roll home in their hand luggage, instead of chucking it away as I do, just in case it finds its way into the hands of the airport luggage handlers who could use it to re-seal any cases protected in this way!

I can't say that I've ever been aware of shrink-wrapped cases attracting any greater attention from the Cuban security or customs staff. They are well aware of the problem they have with pilferage from tourists luggage and in fact on return flights from Cuba, Cubana won't accept any bags which haven't been shrinkwrapped. If you are flying with Cubana you can have it done free on production of your ticket and it costs something like CUC5 if you're flying with another airline. My impression is that luggage is more likely to be tampered with after check-in on the return flight than on your outbound flight from the UK. Security checks at the Havana end are such that the most common things to be stolen from cases are apparently trainers - the thief will take yours and put their shoes in your case instead! That way they can walk out of the handling and loading area wearing yours without necessarily attracting the attention of the security guards or being caught with them in their bag!

As for stevebell001's point about being lied to - welllllll! I think that there is a tendency to often tell visitors whatever they think you want to hear! It's a good way of securing decent tips. Go on a Cuba Solidarity tour and I doubt that you'll ever hear even the mildest criticism of the Government or the system. Go as an affluent tourist (and that's what we all are compared to the locals) who can be made to feel sorry for the conditions of the locals and you'll hear plenty to make you feel guilty. On my trips to Cuba, always as part of a specialist dance and language holiday I stay with local families and you get to know them quite well.

Last time I stayed with a family where the husband was a docter - in Cuban terms they were decidely affluent and taking in paying guests like us was a good useful supplement to the family income. One of the perks of being a docter was that he got to travel - Cuba has a surplus of docters and they get sent around the world to provide training and help out at disasters wherever the regime is sympathetic to Cuba. He was rueful at the chance lost when Bush turned down Castro's offer to send 1,500 docters to New Orleans to help out after Hurricane Katrina!

I've only ever stayed the one night in a tourist hotel in Cuba - in Miramar the night before flying back from Havana on my last trip to Santiago - and it was a very alien experience. But an interesting one - the staff rapidly lost interest in us when they realised that we knew about life in Cuba outside of the hotel/tourist realm. I think the turning point was when I refused to pay CUC15 for pirated CDs that I pointed out I could buy genuine versions of for CUC10 in a Government-run shop and that the maximum going rate for pirated CDs was CUC8! And we both knew that at even at that we were both getting a good deal! Especially since he could purchase CDs in places that as a tourist I couldn't and that he wouldn't even have paid CUC10 for his original!

I certainly don't blame Cubans for trying to make money out of us - that's Point No 1 on the job description for tourist as far as I'm concerned :-) And I don't go round constantly worrying that I'm being conned or ripped off etc but life in the tourist enclaves can give you a very distorted picture of what life is like away from them and also about what the attitudes and opinions of Cubans really are. The things that are thought important and who has social status are very different to what we take for granted. But as you say - all a bit off-topic:-)

SM
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:offtop

Please keep to the original hotel playa pesquero topic.

Thanks :wink:

Pippy :D
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Hi Pippy,

If you want to edit/change/move my posts so that the questions and my anwers about 'shrinkwrapping' become a thread in their own right feel free to do so. It's probably of interest to anybody travelling to and from Cuba. It's really hard to know when to stop the 'conversation' at times :-) Sorry!

SM
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It's really hard to know when to stop the 'conversation' at times


I know, I do the same at times! :oops: :roll:

We'll leave the posts as they are as they do contain useful information.

If anyone needs to ask questions not relating specifically to the hotel, please start a new topic/search for an existing topic either here or in the relevant forum (flight/airlines for example for luggage questions).

Thanks :tup
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:D Hi Lisa,

my wife and i will be at the p.p. on 2nd august, cant wait :hyper :hyper

see you there :glynis
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Just a quick note for Eifion and everyone else who is going to the PP. We have just returned and cannot fault the place. You will have a great time. The accommodation, food, facilities and most importantly the people are excellent. We have just booked to go back next year!

Once I have unpacked I will write a full review. Enjoy, you lucky people.

Lou xxx
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Hi Lou,

thanks for your encouraging words, have to go to bed now final sleep prior to setting off for the playa pesquero cant wait.

i'll read your reviews after our return, and hopefully i will be able to post a similar one.

Eifion.
:wave
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anyone get married/or getting married at this hotel? I am looking to book this for end nov beginning of dec 07, can you get married on the beach? what was the wedding package like etc many thanks Michelle x
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You can read reviews for the Playa Pesquero Hotel, Cuba HERE.

Pippy :D
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You may get some answers from more qualified people but until then:

There is a dedicated "chapel" on the way to the beach. There is greenery but no building between it and the beach, as there is still 50 - 100 metres before you get to "sand" so it cannot be described as being on the beach except by a travel agent!
The chapel is open sided on 3 sides and has a raised dias at one end in the corner, with rows of benches angled towards the area. At the far end they set up some drink and maybe food, didn't get close enough to find out.
We found wedding parties having receptions in various places around the hotel and it can be a bit of a production line, there were certainly quite a few while we were there. I think they all enjoyed themselves immensely though and the hotel did seem to go out of its way to help them but not to the detriment of the other guests. At no point could any guest say that their enjoyment or use of the facilities was interfered with by a wedding party and yet the wedding parties each felt they had the hotel and staff at their disposal. Still not sure I have phrased it right.
While we were there a Canadian "hobby" photographer on holiday was taking wedding photos for free and was going to send them on to the various couples, not sure if he did.

On the dolphin/snorkelling trip we saw the white wedding chapel from the prdo which juts out over the sea(just visible on Google Earth), which my daughter took a fancy to.

Have fun whatever.
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stevebell, many thanks for that information, all is very welcome, how did you rate the hotel? would you go back etc? Its second marriage for me so didnt want a big do in england and just fancied me hub and the kids having a beautiful holiday with a wedding chucked in lol
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Hi Michelle

We got back from the Playa Pesquero two weeks ago and booked again for next year as soon as we came back! My children (11 and 9) thoroughly enjoyed themselves and reckon it is the best hotel they have been in. The beach and pool are wonderful, the staff are amazing and there are plenty of areas to eat. It may be that other hotels in the Carribbean are of a similar standard, but this was out first visit so I can only compare it to what we have in the Med. We have never stayed in a 5 star hotel so I don't know how it would measure up but as far as we were concerned it was luxury for 2 weeks.

Hope this helps.

Lou :lol:
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Hi Lou, we too have never stayed in a 5 star hotel before our holidays are normally holiday villages in europe lol, would you say this hotel be ok to take a 3 yr old? were you kids occupied enough? its encouraging that you have bookd again for next year, what date are you going next year? thanks Michelle x
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