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I am sorry that you had such a disappointment with your Lagrange holiday. I must state that I DO NOT work for the company but have been living in France long enough to know of them, and read their brochures regularly for information and escapism.

Lagrange are a French company. Their major clientele are French and whilst they do sell holidays to non-French nationals, their brochures reflect the norms in French tour operator publications; it is quite normal for French (and German) operators to grade their accommodation by criteria other than star quality level. They often refer to facilities available on site, or size of accommodation, and usually there are definitions in the 'small print' area of the brochure.

In the past, I also had a disappointment with a French company (no longer trading!) when I rented a holiday appartment in the La Rochelle area. I learned that the details and criteria of different countries differ from what we consider is normal in the UK, basically because we have had no other experience of booking holidays other than with UK tour operators.

From what you describe, it seems like a typical South of France appartment complex, and unfortunately you were probably misled by your images of France (great gastronomy ... well even France has its disappointments like McDo, Quick and Flunch ...). I agree that as a culture shock, you learned a great deal, but please try not to be offended as I think that it was simply unfortunate that you didn't perhaps have enough experience of French 'norms' (a legal term here) and what seems to be an acceptable form of vacation accommodation for the French. And of course, a holiday is what you make of it - even though you DID have a disappointing experience on arrival.

Please do not blame other countries and cultures (as here in France) for their differences from your standards - constructive criticism is fine - but the onus is on the traveller to make sure that he/she is happy with the product or service before he/she parts with any money.

Too many people criticise other countries' ways and means, when they only know what to expect in the UK. Open-mindedness does help.

Please do not think I'm 'slagging you off' - I only mean to be helpful, having once been in a similar situation, and living with French norms for long enough to know that your situation was not a personal slight, nor a means of annoying the British!
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What an excellent post by Alsacienne. Whilst I have some sympathy with davinci I do think that people have expectations based upon their own nationality.

It does not matter where your holiday destination, there is no guarantee that you will like it - hours and hours of research can only tell you what others thought. Read some of the reviews here on HT if you do not believe me.

I have often read on HT people complain about the Germans. My own experience with them has been only positive. Some of my holidays have been enhanced by their presence.

We went to Crete for the first time in May, we found the people and the place so good we have booked to go again next year.

We went to Paphos for the first time in October - we are going back to Nissi Beach next year. We much prefer it.

You do not need to go outside our own country to find that stars can have little relevance to what you get.

fwh
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What an excellent post by Alsacienne. Whilst I have some sympathy with davinci I do think that people have expectations based upon their own nationality.


We most heartily agree.

Peter
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I think you do need to research places when they are rated so as not to get them confused. We stayed in apartments in Puerto Pollensa last year and they were rated by Keys, they were only 2 Key apartments that we stayed in but the accommodation was of a good standard, the reason they were 2 Key was because there was no entertainment on site or bar/restaurant and the beach was 700m away but we were aware of that before we booked.

Hope you have better luck next time :)
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Sorry you were disappointed with your holiday in France. :(

Many tour companys use two methods of ranking properies. For example Thomson uses 'T's. Quite often a 4TTTT property is only a 3*** property! Stars seemed to be used for hotels and keys for apartments.

Good travel companies usually give both ratings. i.e. their own (which IMHO are often 'enhanced' a bit) and the rating given in the country the accommodation is in. A decent brochure or web-site should explain all this all in the small print. I guess 'dots' was the one used by Lagrange. It might have been 3 dots but only 1 star/key.

It's a knotty problem and unfortunately you have to be able to read between the lines to make sense of some of these ratings.
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Alsacienne
You missed the point.
I was neither getting at France nor was I getting at Port Camargue what I was annoyed about mis-representation.
The brochure was sent out by the London office of Lagrange for the English Market so this is meant for English people. Employees of Lagrange working in London should understand that they are working in the English Market and that means they should understand what English people want and most importantly understand that they hate being ripped off or lied to.
France is a beautiful place with fantastic destinations but you always want to know what you are paying for and the job of the Travel Company is to understand your needs and not to lie to you.
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Regarding your PM to me I was fully aware when I posted at whom your "Rant" was aimed.

When you made your call why assume that it was a language problem on their part? The young lady you spoke with answered your questions. It was you that did not understand her. I have no particular feelings for the French; however I do find your remarks out of order regarding her nationality.

You made a mistake when you made an assumption that dots equated to stars. If you were not sure then you should have made an effort to find out.

It is not unusual to find that cars are not allowed onsite. That often applies in this country. Safety and nuisance value are often quoted.

In warm climates bars on windows and heavy doors - I see no problem there. Security is one explanation; in particular in warm weather you may go out yet leave the window open to allow circulation of air.

You were obviously in a holiday complex. Footpaths are used by everyone. The fact that drunks fell on your lawn is a hazard that you get in such places.

Your complaint about food is an old one. It is a myth that the French are great cooks. You could say much the same about establishments in this country, some with Michelin Stars. My eldest managed one years ago. The food was rubbish and they had Two Stars.

Your problem basically was you were staying at a site that catered for French holidaymakers. Many people come to our country and make the same complaint about the food not being to their liking.

Your comment in your last post is correct when you say you want to know what you are paying for and for them to understand your needs. But you need to ensure that you explain them and not blame others if you do not make them clear.

There was an obvious problem with the way you communicated your needs - You cannot put all the blame on them.

They did not "Lie" to you - That is a word that many apply as an excuse having made a mistake and not wanting to admit they have done so.

fwh
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I wish to make it clear as I did after receiving your PM to you that I do not intend to continue correspondence on this situation with you.
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Whoooaaa,

why's this blown up now.......months after the event ?

Chill men :lol:
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Chill men


You too, Mike. :wave :glynis
I agree that this is a bit bizarre, starting up again.

Polly
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I think we have all said what we need to say on this matter.

Topic closed.

Kath HT Admin
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