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yesterday I was all excited about my holiday to Luxor, then that happened and now I feel so sad for all those people.I feel like cancelling .why should I go there to enjoy my self and get the sun on my skin when all this has happened.

Its very sad. :cry:
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I've been watching all day in utter disbelief!

These "people" think that they will further their cause by using tactics like this!!

My heart goes out to those families who have lost loved ones in this atrocity, and to those injured. History has shown that Israel will not " go away" by subjecting them to such treatment. The opposite also applies!

I am a confirmed Egyptophile but these events will not stop me from visiting, with my family, the most wonderful country in the world!

I imagine that the Sinai will now be "fortress Sinai" if Luxor was anything to go by after their disaster in the nineties. For me, this is enough, they can do no more.

How lucky we are to have members like Alvin (Swisssinai) who convey to us in real terms how people there are really feeling. From looking at the British F.O. site you would think that nothing of any note had happened!

Personally, I can't wait until the 21st. October until I am back in my beloved Egypt!

Roger.
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I have looked forward to visiting Egypt for a long time now and am not going to let them destroy my holiday. I belive that if I cancel now I will never go, therefore, they have won. I do not want to let this happen.

Myself and my family will be flying as usual, despite opposition from family over here. We are threatened wherever we go, but why should people like them decide what we do with our lives? If we stop visiting these countries, purely because of the threat these people give us, we would never go anywhere.

I intend to enjoy myself and for my family to enjoy themselves too, I don't intend to let these people dictate to me where and when I should travel.

My sympathies go out to all the people affected by this tragedy, but I do believe that to stop visiting this country would be akin to admitting they have won.
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I've read lots of swisssinai's posts on vt, very interesting and helpful man. Great pics too. We're very lucky you've joined HT swisssinai.
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Rang my agent today TRAVEL NOW to get an update on travel to the area as I travel on Thursday. Travel Now customer care could / would not help. All I wanted was a bit of assurance that it will be ok to travel. The girl from Travel Now obviouysley had a bad night. First of all she told me that I would not be going anywhere near the area which had received the attacks. this was before she asked for my name or reference number. I then asked her where I was going, guess what she didnt know. I then gave her my details and she then still insited that we would be miles away from were the attacks took place. I told her about the bomb in Neweiba, she said thats still miles away. I was getting bored with her attitude by now and asked her what the companys ploicy was for travel next week. She said she did not know, as far as she was concerened the trouble was over. I asked again what assurance can we have regarding safty. Have the company spoken to reps in resort etc. She told me that all she knew was what she had seen on the TV. She could not understand what I was worried about. I'M NOT WORRIED I TOLD HER I WANT TO KNOW IF IM STILL GOING ON HOLIDAY TO A NICE PLACE OR A WAR ZONE. I think I might have been getting angry with her by now. I asked her for Longwood's number to which she asked why i wanted to phone them. Im traveling with them I told her. She told me there was no point in me ringing them. More arguments, she gave me the number, moaned a lot about people ringing worried about going to Egypt then slammed the phone down on me.
Phone back and speak to a supervisor said my work colleague, no point I said, I just wont use the company again.
Rang Longwoods, different world. Full explanation as to whats happened what my options were and then a good full update from resort giving me pleanty of assurance that I can continue with my holiday plans safe in the knowledge that everything will be OK.
Sorry this has been a bit of a rant and I know there are more things in life like those poor people in the Taba HILTON but I just needed to know..
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Like Big Cheese, I rang Longwoods today regarding travelling to Nuweiba on 21st Oct. As always they were very polite and helpful, telling me that everything should continue with the holiday as normal.

I too had booked through another agent as it appears that some agents can offer far greater discounts on Longwoods holidays than Longwoods can direct. What a shame when we discover that these extra discounts come with the price of unecessary rudeness and ignorance.

Roger.
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I'm a new member. I've been reading this website recently as we're booked to go to Taba Heights 23 Oct. Reading that Taba has been made a military area is very worrying. When I rang Peltours today they said everything was Ok, security had been stepped up but they expected people to travel as normal. I presume they expect road blocks etc to have disappeared in 3 weeks time but Ramadan continues all through Oct to mid Nov doesn't it? I'm very anxious!
Petalsnap
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I just drove home to Cairo this afternoon and I hope to be back in Nuweiba by Wednesday. Unfortunately this morning my laptop packed up and I am now on my sons PC. If any spelling mistakes - blame him !

Maybe the immediate area around the Taba Hilton looks like a war zone but Taba Airport is 50 km away, Taba Heights is 20 km away, and apart from some more armed police guards on duty at the entrance to Taba Heights ( its a secluded seperate area consisting of the Marriott, Sofitel and Hyatt hotels along with the marina and three unfinished hotels ) you will not feel any difference and you will feel very secure. SAS Radisson is further south than Taba Heights and Nuweiba Hilton 75 km away.

As I said before - I feel that it really is safe.
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Thanks again swissinai, you make me feel more confident with each post you make.
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Thanks for the info Swissinai. Unless there are any other incidents, I think we've decided to go for it but its difficult to feel the same excited anticipation in view of all the sorrow.
Whilst the extra security presence will be reassuring it will presumably make excursions more difficult - we had hoped to go to Petra but I expect the borders will be a nightmare now!
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The excursions within Egypt should not be too much of a problem. Whilst the authorities are keen to apply the securest possible security they also do not want to make life unbearable for European tourists. As an example, the tunnel under the Suez Canal was pretty busy yesterday because there were a lot of Egyptians returning home from a long week-end in Sharm - two tourist buses jumped the queue with the help of a police car that was escorting it ! The Petra excursion might take longer now if you go through Isael but should be the same if you go by boat from Nuweiba.
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Is the Foreign Office actually advising against travel to Egypt? They made a statement today about Iraq and Egypt but it is unclear. Anyone knows?

Luchy
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http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2FXcelerate%2FShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385875

Quote from the above link.......


Still Current at: 14 October 2004
Updated: 13 October 2004


Egypt


This advice has been reviewed and reissued with amendments to the Summary and Terrorism section. The overall level of the advice has not change.

SUMMARY

The threat from terrorism in Egypt remains. The threat from terrorism on the east coast of the Sinai peninsula is high. Following terrorist attacks in Taba and Ras Shaitan near Nuweiba on 7 October, our assessment is that further terrorist attacks may be likely. We will be keeping this advice under close review.

Approximately 368,000 British nationals visited Egypt in 2003, mainly as tourists. Most visits are trouble free.

Crime rate is low but you should safeguard valuables including passports and money.

Egyptian society is conservative and women should dress modestly.

We strongly recommend that you obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling.

SAFETY AND SECURITY

Terrorism

The threat from terrorism in Egypt remains. The threat from terrorism on the east coast of the Sinai peninsula is high. Following terrorist attacks in Taba and Ras Shaitan near Nuweiba on 7 October, our assessment is that further terrorist attacks may be likely. In the 7 October attacks 34 people were killed and 59 injured, and the Hilton Hotel in Taba was severely damaged. We will be keeping this advice under close review. Prior to these attacks the last terrorist attacks in Egypt were in 1997. Since then, Egypt's police and security forces have made a considerable effort to ensure the safety and security of foreign visitors. The security forces maintain a uniformed presence at most tourist sites and make regular police searches. They may insist on escorting travellers in some areas.

You should be aware of the global risk of indiscriminate terrorist attacks, which could be against civilian targets, including places frequented by foreigners. Please read Security and General Tips and Risk of Terrorism when Travelling Overseas for further information and advice. Please also check the British Embassy website: Egypt: British Embassy Cairo

Crime

The crime rate in Egypt is low but you should take sensible precautions. Take care of your passport and valuables. Use hotel safes and be aware of pickpockets and bag snatchers.

There have been attacks by armed pirates against ships in the southern Red Sea. Travellers in small boats should move in convoy and obtain detailed advice from Maritime Agencies before travelling through the area.

Political Situation

Opposition in Egypt to British policy in the Middle East is widespread. The conflict in Iraq triggered demonstrations across the country and the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians continues to provoke public anger and demonstrations. The Egyptian authorities have policed past demonstrations heavily and effectively.

You should follow news reports and be alert to developments in the Middle East that might trigger public disturbance. Any increase in regional tension might affect travel advice. You should avoid political gatherings and demonstrations, and respect any advice or instruction from the local security authorities.

Local Travel

There remains a small risk from unexploded mines in certain desert areas in the north west of Egypt, and some limited stretches of coast. Danger areas are usually well marked with signs and barbed wire fencing. Visitors should exercise caution and follow local advice.

Road Safety

Local driving conditions and poor vehicle maintenance make road travel outside the main cities hazardous. Avoid driving on country roads at night and observe the local speed limit. Make sure you obtain third party insurance. In the event of an accident emergency medical facilities are limited. By law, seatbelts must be worn when travelling in the front of a vehicle. Where available, seatbelts should be worn at all times. Child car seats are available locally.

Foreign residents must apply for an Egyptian driving licence. Visitors need an international driving licence.

Only certain categories of foreign residents may import vehicles. Vehicles of visitors should be temporarily imported with a valid "carnet de passage" available from the Automobile Association.

Pavement and pedestrian crossings are not always present and drivers do not give right of way to pedestrians.

If travelling off road, a qualified guide should be employed.

Air Safety

Air travel is generally considered safe in Egypt.

River Safety

There have been a number of accidents involving Nile cruisers during the last couple of years.

LOCAL LAWS AND CUSTOMS

Egypt is a conservative society. You should dress modestly and especially when visiting traditional areas like mosques and souqs (markets). Women's clothes should cover their legs and upper arms. Public displays of affection are frowned upon.

You should not drink, eat or smoke in public between sunrise and sunset during the lunar month of Ramadan, although children of the age of seven years or under are allowed to do so. Ramadan begins in October 2004.Possession, use or trafficking in illegal drugs is a serious offence and can, even for possession of small amounts, lead to long prison sentences (25 years) or the death penalty.

Photography of, or near, military official installations is strictly prohibited. Don't photograph officials without their consent.

Egypt is an Islamic country and as such it is considered illegal for a Muslim to convert to Christianity. The government does not interfere with the practice of Christianity, but encouraging conversion to the Christian faith is illegal.

Under Egyptian law, homosexuality is considered illegal.

Women are advised to take extra caution when travelling alone as there have been isolated incidents of harassment.

It is becoming more common in Egypt for hotels and medical facilities to seek payment in hard currency.

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS

British visitors need a visa. These can be obtained from an Egyptian Consulate outside Egypt or on arrival by payment in Sterling or USD, for stays up to a month. Applications for extensions should be made at the Egyptian Passport and Immigration Offices. You cannot leave Egypt with an out of date visa. For visas and further information on entry requirements, check with the Egyptian Embassy in your country of residence. (Egyptian Representation in the UK.)

Evidence of an AIDS test is required if you are applying for a work permit.

Passports should be valid for at least six months. However, many Immigration officials will admit visitors providing the passport is valid for the duration of the intended stay.

5,000 Egyptian pounds is the maximum amount of local currency you are allowed to bring in or take out of Egypt. There is no limit to the amount of hard currency that you may bring in, but sums that exceed USD 10,000 should be declared on arrival. Egyptian currency should not be sent through the post.

Certain valuables such as electrical equipment, video camera etc must be declared on arrival. Electrical items noted in passports must be produced on exit from the country. Failure to do so will result in payment of high rates of customs duty. It is advisable to contact the Egyptian embassy in your country of residence for specific information regarding customs requirements.

HEALTH

You are strongly recommended to obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling. Make sure it covers the cost of local hospitalisation and medical repatriation to your country of residence. Medical facilities outside Cairo can be basic and in case of emergency you are advised to seek treatment in Cairo.

Come prepared for the heat. Use a high factor sun-block and drink plenty of water to guard against exposure and dehydration which can result in serious health problems.

Contact your GP about current inoculation requirements and other medical advice. Contact your insurer if you have had a previous health condition, including mental illness, which may not be covered if it recurs.

In general tap water is not safe to drink. Bottled water is cheap and readily available.

For further information on health, check the Department of Health's website at: http://www.dh.gov.uk

NATURAL DISASTERS

Egypt is susceptible to occasional earthquakes; the last major one was in 1992.

GENERAL

British nationals visiting and resident in Egypt should register at the British Embassy. This can be done in person or on-line at: Egypt: British Embassy Cairo


ATMs are quite common in Egypt, especially in the main tourist areas. Scottish and Northern Irish bank notes are not exchangeable in Egypt.

Visitors and residents should carry photographic ID at all times. Passports must contain valid visas.

All flights, domestic and international, should be reconfirmed within 72 hours of travel.

OTHER

Egypt Country Profile

CONTACT DETAILS

Address: British Embassy
7 Ahmed Ragheb Street
Garden City
Cairo

Telephone: (20) (2) 794 0852
(20) (2) 794 0850
(20) (2) 794 0858


Facsimile: (20) (2) 796 1458 Political
(20) (2) 794 0859 Commercial
(20) (2) 796 3222 Management
(20) (2) 795 1235 Visa
(20) (2) 794 3065 Consular & Information


Email: consular.cairo@fco.gov.uk Consular
visa.cairo@fco.gov.uk
commercial.cairo@fco.gov.uk Commercial
defencestaff.CAIRX@fco.gov.uk Defence
information.cairo@fco.gov.uk Information
economic.cairo@fco.gov.uk Economic
development.cairo@fco.gov.uk Development


Office Hours: GMT:
Sun-Wed: 0500-1230
Thurs: 0500-1100

Local Time:
Sun-Wed: 0800-1530
Thurs: 0800-1400


Website: http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/egypt

See Also: Travellers' Tips: Egypt
UK Overseas Mission: Egypt



Know Before You Go
The FCO strongly recommends that all travellers abroad take out comprehensive insurance.

NB: While every care has been taken in preparing our travel advice, neither Her Majesty's Government nor any member of British consular staff abroad can accept liability for injury, loss or damage arising in any respect of any statement contained therein.

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The new advice is worrying - I wonder what has made them change the message from "it's probably a 'one off' to "there is a high risk of attacks in the Sinai area during Ramadan'. Are they just covering themselves or do they have wind of something? Now, I'm anxious again!
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:o :oops: ops: just a quick question? we r hopefuly going to sharm el sheikh in oct next year.our travel agent told us we wernt under any risk as the bombing was in a diferent part now never being abroard before i havnt a clue what were near or what end we are,so do u think we will be at risk ??????????????should we stick to a caravan in mablethorpe??lol
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Sharm is in the south of the Sinai peninsula.

Taba is on the border with Israel.

Nuweiba is in between the two.

This map should give you some idea of the distance between the resorts. :D :D

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map%5Fcollection/egypt.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="break-word">http://geography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map%5Fcollection/egypt.html

Philippa
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yes it is woryying petalsnap. I am supposed to be going there on 16th December with all my family. I am a real fan of Sharm - absolutely love the place - but my husband is having second thoughts. He thinks the risk is too high.
I guess they are thinking of Ramadan and something happening then. I know it starts soon - either today or next friday - Does anyone know when Ramadan finishes?

Luchy
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Lets put it all in perspective.

I just checked the web site and I do not see anything about a high risk during Ramadan. And Ramadan is over by the 15th November. There is no recommendation against travel to Egypt at all.

The website site states that there is a high risk in East Sinai and that there may be further attacks. To be quite honest they have to write that. Afterall, they also write that there is a global risk of terrorism in public places which is also true.

Yes it could happen again. But in my opinion is it highly unlikely. The Israelis correctly forecast this attack, even the implementation by Al Quada, but have not given any new specific warnings. I have been in contact with Isaelis to double check this point. This attack was very much in the Al Quada style and is the first time that this style of attack has been launched in Egypt. The target was clearly Israelis who have almost all left. I just drove back from Nuweiba yesterday with my wife - would I take my wife if I thought there was any risk ?

On the other hand I may be visiting London soon to attend the World Travel Market - I am much, much more apprehensive about that than visiting Nuweiba. I believe there lies a much greater risk. I was visiting ITB ( the large international tourism fair in Berlin ) in March when Madrid was attacked. I was very apprehensive about my stay there - especially as it appeared that there was almost zero security for such a huge event.

Back to Nuweiba.... I honestly can say that I believe it to be safe. The Nuweiba Hilton and Taba Heights areas are located on large pieces of land with easily securable entrances. Its a completely different type of setting from the Taba Hilton. More attention should have been given to the warnings issued by the Israelis, especially as the area is easy to secure and there is a large security force already in place. Mistakes were obviously made but I honestly believe that they will not be repeated.

Come enjoy the peace and tranquility of Sinai.
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