Well said Rokerender and OAP. I agree totally. Folk can wear what they want and doesnt mean people fall into a certain category.
A football top is a very expensive item, between £40/£50 but on the other hand I could wear a cheap top at £2.99 from Primark, but that wouldnt be looked down on, why? Doesnt make any sense.
Ive also been all over Spain, including Benidorm and I am not common or a lager lout!!! Rant over

The footy shirt debate is interesting in as much as if you wear a club shirt it's more an inter tribal thing which, now that allegiance to our British clubs has spread around the world, is not as threatening as wearing an England top which somehow I feel can be in bad taste when visiting a foreign country. ( Unless there is a match on !)
Can you imagine the outcry at Heathrow if thousands of people started arriving wearing Polish and Roumanian shirts ?
As for the price of a garment, well there is no accounting for taste. I mean Rooney or Ronaldo when you could have Gerrard or Alonso !!!

Never been to Benidorm but I know lots of nice people who go there.I personally do not wear a football top but love football and also lager and lots of it.I think I know where stephen99 is coming from though.Last year I saw some pretty poor behaviour from some Brits drunk and loud and quite frankly intimidating.Does not matter what you wear or what you drink but some people just do not know how to behave or hold their drink.Unfortunately a large portion of these people tend to go to Europe because it is close and Kylie and Kyle do not like "foreign food" therefore somewhat unfairly to well behaved people who like europe they get labelled the Benidorm brigade.

Truth is around my neck of the woods they are known collectively as s***e and their offspring as apprentice s***e.No point in dressing it up as poor education or missed oppurtunities,some people are just s***e and I do not want to see them in Goa.

Sorry if that appears snobbish but I am just a working class lad and do not associate with *****.

Oh dear, what an outrage that someone has had the audacity(maybe spelt wrong) to speak their mind. Why do we, always pick up on a minor part of the statement, chew it over & spit it back with such vengance.

My feelings are probably the same but I will put in a different way. Both me & o/h beleive that there is a different type of person now holidaying in Goa. More than likely they are there for different reasons, we love the culture, to walk miles, to rest, to barter, to eat out on an evening & yes it all goes down better because Goa is so cheap. They are probably there because the food & drink is very cheap & they like to do both in large amounts. Whatever the reasons we don't care, however, we do care when they spoil our holiday, which both o/h & I have worked for. How do they spoil it you may well ask.

The answer is simple by being loud, rude, and obnoxious but most of all the filthy language. We don't care how they dress as long as they don't smell, soapy water costs nothing (be aware guys, footy shirts are made of a material that can make you sweaty in hot weather.. ..). Talking of smells, our biggest bug bare is when we are eating & someone nearby decides to light up. They can go for 10hrs on a plane but haven't got the manners to wait until people nearby have stopped eating.

So if you are a loud, swearing, drunken, smelly & a smoker in a restaurant, we don't care what your wearing, where you take your other hols, wether you work or not.... Just don't spoil our hols by going in the same restaurant on an evening, you'll know if I am there by.. just look into the eyes, not around the eyes.

Everyone take care and enjoy.

AJ

Agree with papa- LMAO

my name is kyle and I feel quite insulted

Nice one aj.As an ex smoker I am not allowed to voice my opinion of smoking in public places for fear of being labelled a hypocrite.However as one who has found freedom from the dreaded weed all I can say is roll on July 1st.

Not to go off topic you put your view very eloquently.I am a little more crude in saying s***e will always be s***e shoot me down if you will but thats just the way of the world.One of the reasons we originally kept going back to goa was A:very few kids B:No s***e.Still love it though.

And before I get flamed for having a go at children I personally have nothing against them.Just could not eat a whole one.

Papa -

The only people we came across that were loud or obnoxious were two idiots in Indiana's down the Beach Road. They were totally off their faces and were very vocal in letting everyone know. They gave the staff a hard time by being so out of it. Mind you, I got bad Goa Gut after eating at Indiana's so I didn't feel too sorry for them at 3am hanging on to the toilet!

Papa

You just reminded me of the feeling of anticipation (or should I say dread) I get at the airport on the way out. I scan the lounge on the look out for Dare I say it CHILDREN, when I spot them I convince myself they are going somewhere else. Then they call out the gate number and you guessed it, I'm either cock a hoop or mortified that a child is going to Goa. I then have to sit in fear until all the seats on the plane near me or taken, just incase one is in the next few rows (extra leg room, so they can't sit next to me). I like you, have nothing against children as long as they don't share the same hols (I don't go in school hols for that reason).

My reason for this is, yes I used to be a child & I have 2 lovely adult children. However, didnt take them abroad when they were young (& I definetly wasn't taken abroad)as the hols was for their pleasure, we went to local resorts, played on the beach, on a donkey, on the roundabouts, had an icecream & a stick of rock/candy floss. We didn't force on them long flight journeys which could give them earaches, food/medication that could upset tummies.Nothing worse on a long journey than a screaming child to get your nerves on edge (at least a smelly, loud, swearing, drunk can be threatened by the air stewardess).

We took them abroad when they were old enough to appreciate the different cultures & we discussed as a family before hand what & where would be suitable.

Why do some (note I said some not all) parents think that it is ok for their small children to be wandering around the shack, pestering other adults to play. Do you really think that everyone really does want to play with your child because we're smiling, it's because we're too polite to say go back to mummy, as we would be perceived as miserable so & so's.

So like Papa, I don't dislike children, I just don't like other people's in my face. I know this report may not go down well but Papa made me write it

This is NOT inteded to offend anyone, it's just little old me avin a rant.

`If you do not like certain people just go somewhere else, but don't tar us all with the same brush.`



Thats exactly what the original poster was trying to say, the football shirts are now taking over certain parts of North Goa, and as usual the polite & accommodating people find other quieter places to have a peaceful holiday. Isn`t it always the same, you find heaven and within a few years it`s hell, through no fault of your own.

I`ve personally never understood the football shirt, is it some sort of massive insercurity problem? that you have to inform everybody you meet who you support 5,000 miles away. Is it meant to impress the local Indians or something. I follow football & cricket and the last thing on my mind while landing in Goa is my football team back home, the very last by a long way.

And you`ll never escape the synonymous undertones associated with these garments. I just sincerely hope they haven`t travelled down to Colva yet, i didn`t see any last year just a few cricket tops, and thats fair enough as England played there in the ODI.

Why couldn`t they just have stuck to Spain, cheap beer and sun there, ands lets be perfectly honest, thats all there after.

3yrs back we were staying at the Prazeres for a 3 week Xmas break, had a great apartment, 10 days into our holiday it turned into hell. A group of 15 'lager louts' is mild arrived. From the minute they stepped foot in the hotel they were a nightmare, loud, drunk, argumentative and if you dared to remonstrate with them, very intimidating. They were loud all night long, chucked furniture in the pool, had a peeing competition into the pool - that little children would be in the next morning.etc.etc. They made you ashamed to be British. Athough they all wore their football shirts with pride - day after day.
They did bring us other residents closer together but it was a very uncomfortable experience being around them.
Since then I have always booked a private apartment, it might not have the facilities of a hotel but definetly has advantages

I would like to apologise on behalf of my 7 year old daughter who spent a fabulous 4 weeks in Goa last year. For being quiet and well behaved on the plane, for loving Goa from the minute she got there, for making friends with the locals and enjoying Goan culture, for enjoying the food and not annoying any adults in the shacks, for commiting the crime of building sand castle's. For enjoying the markets, the temples,the churches, the spice plantation, the wildlife, the dolphins, the crocs,the overnight stays in beach huts at Agonda, loving the food, for swimming in the sea and playing with her mum and dad on a boogie board, for crying on the last night as she didn't want to come back to the child- friendly ( )UK, that Goa is now her favourite place and for her looking forward so much to returning to Goa in March and Xmas this year and I apolgise in advance for her being as respectful this trip of people and other cultures whilst having a fantstic holiday as she was last time.

I am shocked at what some people are saying having just come back from india with yes 3 children and 10 adults who one of them wore a football shirt, and we are not loud larger louts and the kids loved every bit of the holiday the beach,the elephants,the waterfalls and most of all the food even the 2 year old and no delli belly.
Why should people with children or football shirts not get the same out of goa as everyone else on here its a great place that eveyone including children can enjoy.

Unfortunately the 'football shirt' has become a bit of a trademark of the badly behaved British tourist whether we like it or not. There are always exceptions to this of course. It's just seems to be a coincidence that whenever there has been some kind of 'incident', whether it's drunken behaviour, rudeness etc... encountered in Goa.... guess what?

What I can't understand is, why would anyone want to wear a garment that is made of artificial fibres in a country as hot as India. Cool it is not!

What I suggest to returning visitors to Goa who want the quiet life is, never book a 'holiday' or package. Go flight only then you can decide where you wish to stay and you can move on if you are unhappy.

football shirts is just an item of clothing didnt the punks and skinheads get tarred with the same brush,the way people dress as nothing to do with there attitude,unless youre sat in a staduim watching youre favourite team as for children i cant believe the fuss ,i just hope 1 of the charitys based in goa dosent spoil youre sun bathing on the beach when the organisers take them for a fun filled day of playing games ,smiling and shouting ,screaming ,i for 1 would love to join in and play,thank god the people who take time to help these children have a childhood they can look back on dont feel the same way as some people do ,,is it a case of out of sight out of mind,children are our future and should be allowed to enjoy the world like us adults,after all it belongs to them too.my children are now all grown youngest 16 , i would gladly turn the clocks back and have them younger again ,and maybe i would have taken them to goa if times and finances allowed,it is an education they would never forget.saying that you could always go on a package where no children are allowed only self minded people

Any chance we can get back to the original thread? This is getting tedious!

Big neil
Yes it is getting boring , but i cant understand why so many British football fans insist on wearing their football shirts all the time on holiday, when their Idols the Players wouldnt be seen dead in their shirts off the football feild.
Why do their Female partners allow it, come on girls start a campaign for better dressed men, tell them how silly they look, and put a ban on Football Shirts.
You know you can do it

If I wanted to go out in a football shirt oh would go somewhere else, unless watching an england game.

lets get back to the original question now- where can Stephen go, north or south, that is peaceful?