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My experience of Goa is limited - two visits so far. On the occasions I've talked to kids selling on the beach they seemed to have come from Karnataka to try and make some money in the tourist season and said they would go to school when they went home.

Those I've encountered weren't accomplished hustlers - one lad who was only nine I think, made a good pitch to clean our sunglasses then promptly handed his money to Anne for safekeeping whilst he drew a picture for a lady nearby!

It illustrates the huge dichotomy that is modern India and certainly give pause for thought.

We had a thought provoking encounter with very young children in December. Having arrived on the beach in mid-morning and been visited by the newspaper sellers etc, a group of four very young girls came running up to us. They were rather shabbily dressed and presumably were trying to sell little packets of nuts. However they were in high spirits, didn't try to sell us anything and wanted to gives us a kiss. Being cynical and remembering the warnings of some of the resident sellers I kept a hand on wallet and mobile phone whilst this was going on - but needn't have worried.

It turned out they wanted to leave their things with us whilst they had a dip in the sea - including their dresses! One young lass presented her back to me to undo her buttons..... given the nature of society in the UK these days I thought better of rendering the assistance requested and suggested she "go see Momma (Annie)" for help.
They went off happily to play in the shallows - one still wearing her dress as she told Anne she had no knickers.

After a while they came back and got dressed - asking for help in doing up their buttons! Then they went on their way. I suspect they were migrant children, or given their young age, the children of migrant workers.

Sitting back here in the UK I sometimes think of them - they displayed an innocence which even in my short experience of Goa, I'd not expected to find amongst the beach sellers.

What have we done to Goa?
Some good and a deal of harm too - depending on how you view things. The arrival of large numbers of visitors with disposable income will cause changes to both the society and economy of an area, in most parts of the world. We see their way of life being degraded perhaps and their values corrupted. To many people living in and around Goa the chance to make money from tourism and improve their standard of living is a big plus.

Long term, without regulation I think tourism tends to destroy the very things that originally provided the attraction - which is something for us all to reflect on.
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SteveK

I forgot,one of the crew hit us for the sunglasses cleaning once he got to know us.Of course it was the older one Satish who marked us out for him as mugs and to be fair even he knew he was not getting 50 rupees per pair.

I think I gave him 10 rupees for two pairs.

The point you made about pause for thought is more or less exactly how I have been looking at it since I got back.

I mean it is not exactly as if we are Goan virgins but for some reason this has just set me thinking.

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

By the way I am convinced these kids were locals as we saw them at a house on our way back from the beach.

Papa
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How would these kids' lives turn out if we were not there?

How will their lives turn out with us going there?

I am not in the least bit sentimental but it really has made me think of the impact we have on the locals.


These kids are almost certainly from Karnataka or Maharashtra and they come to Goa each season to sponge off the tourists.
They can get educated in a Goa school, but only once they have proved permanent residency.
What you have probably done unerringly, is to encourage even more kids from out of state to come to Goa, and increase the burden on the local economy. :duh
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Hi Papa - coke, newspapers and chips - you got off light mate :)

I love reading these stories - know you have been going to Goa for years but some of the kids we have seen hussling would put the TV programme to shame.
The year the charters came into Goa we met a very young kid in "Spliffs" shack - now re-named - next to Big Banana at the end of CSM road. We knew him and he knew us so no way was he getting anything out of us but we used to sit and chat and he was a very likeable soul. He told us that every year the charters came in he would get more and more out of them until he had a big house. The first year he had a kite, camera and lots of clothes - the 2nd season he managed a bike until the other kids cut up the tyres in jealousy and then the sob story came out and he had enough money to buy 5 bikes instead of tyres.
Season 3 and we were in Panjim and he was in the TV shop opposite the ferry with a white couple who were buying him a TV - 2 weeks later we saw him in there with another couple - another tv. When he came to the shack he told us he had a thing going with the tv man wherby they sold the same tv every 2 weeks. What can you say other than a fool and his money are soon parted or good luck to him.
We still see him now as a young man - he does not have the house but he has a 4x4 and is still giving the charm on the beach. :D
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Very sad to think of things like this.

The way of the world I suppose.

We are just seen as cashpoints.

Papa
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These kids dont come to Goa by themselves, there are usually parents around in the background somewhere. I give what I feel I can afford, I know I have been taken time and again, really disappointed this year by one lad who I have known since he was 9 years old . He ripped off my holiday companion big time - he didnt need to - I would have willingly given him the money - that hurt.
It won't stop me going to Goa, it wont stop me loving the place and the people, I just need to be more careful
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Yes they are Goan versions of Del Boy, yet there is also still an innocence and vulnerability anout some of them. Take the children undressing. You would be locked up in the UK for assisting a child to strip off. You can't help but wonder how often they are actually 'bought' and abused by tourists who are there for that reason.
That is how Thailand started out with the sex industry, now look at it. Sex is just another commodity, like food and drink, to be purchased by those who have the money, but who are socially inept, and unable to sustain normal relationships. They go away for two weeks and think they've gone to heaven, and are suddenly attractive. Then back to their saddo lives and reality.
I don't think Goa will ever become as bad, the laws re night time music and noise in shacks and bars are in some ways, their saviour.
Many of the kids are so intelligent, they speak three or four languages, yet prefer to make a fast buck today, rather than worry about tomorrow. What a waste. I think we all know though, that they have a 'fagin' type character or bad parents behind them taking their earnings, rather than ensuring they go to school. Only the boy's would receive any education anyway.That's a cultural issue that won't change.
They are almost definately not Goan, but from Karnatika. They rent houses locally for the season.
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What you have probably done unerringly, is to encourage even more kids from out of state to come to Goa, and increase the burden on the local economy.


Sadly, I agree. Over the years I've learned not to have too much contact with these kids. I'm always polite and occasionally buy a paper or some nuts, but just don't involved more than that. They soon pick up the vibes that you're not game for a hustle and move on.

It's very sad that that's how things are. :que
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It's very sad that that's how things are.


Yes after reading the posts and summing up my experience they were indeed just hustling another couple of "rich" Europeans.

Papa
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Try not to beat yourself up over it. They are just doing what they can to live above the poverty line.
Also, all the while they remain friendly and charming to talk with, they are not being spoiled too much. It's when they become rude and aggressive you know it's all gone too far. Most Indian children, regardless of social class, are very respectful toward adults and thirst for a bit of affection. Unfortunately, this is what makes many of them so vulnerable too.
What they can make during the tourist season, has to see them through the monsoon from May to October. Domestic tourists are much less friendly and generous to neither them, nor to hotel workers, always aware of the caste system.
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Thought I would out of interest, bump up this thread three years on. Has much changed does anyone think? Are there still newer, more gullible tourists, than we originally were? :think
I have seen many instances over these three years to make me even more cynical about 'friends' we make whilst there. I've also heard of some real scams being perpetrated on European tourists by these 'friends'. Too many to mention actually.
We simply go still because we just love the place, warts an' all. :tup
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We still get asked to fill out the odd questionare about our stay.
Still under the guise of a school project.
But no money or personal information is given or requested other than a name.
Now I am sure that many seasoned travellers have all been stopped by someone supposedly collecting for a school.
We became synical and refused to entertain being stopped.
The scam changed us and turned us into doubters of everyone.
I think we all are guilty jumping to conclusions
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Someone told me many years ago that the beach beggars congregate in a shack away from everyone where babies are handed out and the woman and kids are made to look dishevalled...they then prey on the tourists and make a lot of money and go home to their homes they have in the hills...dont know how true this is
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Thanks for bumping this, I must have missed it the first time around.

I have heard of beach sellers asking for a mobile phone next year, and when visitors return with one of their cast offs it doesn't go down well, as they wanted a brand new all singing all dancing mobile phone.

While I consider that I have made good friends with people at some of the shacks and restaurants, I'm fully aware that when my plane leaves and another one arrives, there is a whole load of new "friends" to replace me.

I think you need to give a much as you are prepared to give, don't be pressured into going any further. I can't believe people actually go as far as buying TVs for people.
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I have heard of beach sellers asking for a mobile phone next year, and when visitors return with one of their cast offs it doesn't go down well, as they wanted a brand new all singing all dancing mobile phone
;) oh yes..been there ..done that!

We've had the little girls leaving their clothes with us while going for a swim too...and hiding their bags of cashew nuts under our towels when the tourist police arrive too. One little lad of about 10 wanted to know would we buy him a bike? Erm...No! He quickly came down in his estimations and asked..would we buy him fliff floffs? (flip flops)...sorry no..but you can have a cola! :duh

We went backside to see 'Auntie' who looked after the younger children of the shack workers who came in each year from Karnataka. Tiny hovel back of the beach BUT shelves LINED with brand new beach towels, brand new Fisher Price boxes with toys etc etc all brought by kind tourists! We were also told by one woman how her husband beat her and what terrible life she had. Hmmmm following year they were there again BUT now husband could speak PERFECT English and no longer would she tell tales of beatings etc!

We were told NOT to give the children sweets as they can't afford dental care...also not to pander to their whims because they COULD go to school but it's too profitable for their parents to send them begging.
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Hubbie and I have been going to go every year for about 10 years, on our first year we met a tuk tuk driver, he always has his tuk tuk near the Taste of China restaurant when we first met him he was a young single man, living with his Mum and siblings near the Ferry that crosses to Panjim, we got on really well with him and his family, he couldn't do enough for us. We always used him, and no matter where we went we always bought him a meal and drinks, took him our old phones, I used to collect the families old football shirts to give him, in fact one of our suitcases was always filled with things for him and his family.

The last time I went to Goa with Hubbie, the Tuk Tuk driver was getting married we were lucky enough to be invited to the wedding it was a fantastic experience, we asked him what we could give him and his new wife for a present, he asked us to give him £4,000 pounds sterling so he could buy his own tuk tuk, we thought he was joking so we just laughed. But he was being very serious, a few days afterwards he came to see us to discuss the money, we told him straight away that there was no way we would give him that sort of money, we had known him by then for eight years, and had always known him as a happy, jovial, young man, in seconds he was a snarling maniac, shouting and screaming at us, we had to get the guest house owner to get him out of our room. He never spoke to us again, and we must have walked past him two or three times a day. That was the end of our friendship. Even the following year when I went back to Goa on my own he never once spoke.
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Thank you for sharing an all too common experience. Have experienced similar 3 times in 20 years, maybe if it was mentioned a little more freely (there seems to be a taboo against doing so, or embarrassment), then perhaps it could be avoided.
We were informed, by a reliable source, that most of the second-hand stuff we drag out as gifts is sold at the first opportunity. Try asking where it is the following year, it will have been stolen/spoiled in monsoon, lost/broken/ whisked away by angels, but certainly not still around.
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what a shocking story! We do know that we are seen as rich and can afford to give things but £4000 is the worst yet.
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