Hi Everyone.
I travelled back from Alicante yesterday to East Midlands airport, on a Mytravel flight.
It was quite an uneventful flight until we landed"¦
The pilot asked passengers to remain seated, until a generator had been plugged in, and then he could switch off the engines"¦even though we were parked up and stationary at this point.
So, what did people do "¦they stood up and started opening the overhead lockers, despite being asked once again by the cabin crew to sit down.
I was seated in row 2 , next to the aisle, with my hubby opposite me"¦"¦then someone opened a locker and a crutch fell down, (the metal type you get issued with at the hospital with elbow grips).
This landed on top of a chap's head seated in row 6 or 7, "¦the next minute there is blood everywhere.
Now, scalps do tend to bleed profusely, and this chap had a shaven head, allowing the blood to run straight down his face and drip onto his clothes"¦instead of his hair, soaking the blood up to a certain degree.
Now, I'm in row 2"¦and this chap is in row 6 or 7, and I'm trying to get to him to administer first aid, and put some pressure on the wound would people move themselves and their bags from the aisle"¦would they
The air stewardesses in the front of the plane were getting the medical case out, and some clean dressings, which they passed me and then finally took over the situation, when people finally sat down.
All I can say is if that chap had been having an heart attack, I had 3 minutes to get to him and administer resuscitation, to give him any chance of a recovery and I bet it took me that time yesterday to get through the people and their bags 4/5 rows only behind me.
So, the next time you jump up with your baggage blocking the aisle, fighting to get off a plane, even though the doors or the steps have neither been opened or put in place for you to disembark, you could be putting someone's life in jeopardy"¦but, of course it will never happen to you, ....will it.?
And to add insult to injury, we landed at 2 pm, and it took an hour to reclaim the luggage and get out of the airport doors.
Besos xxx
SanJi
There is a system to embark on board an aircraft row by row and there should be a system in place to disembark in the same orderly, and safe manner.
The incident referred to in this thread could indeed have been far more serious, and its about time the airlines did somethiung about this. WE british are susposed to pride ourselves on our system of queuing, but that all goes out of the window when it comes to trying to get off an aircraft.
Its not happened yet, to the nbest of my knowledge, but one day someone is going to die as they are caught up in the current mayhem thats is the norm when trying to get off an aircraft.
Anyway well done for at least trying to render assistance when it was needed especially in `hostile territory`
yes it always amazes me that people can't wait to get their stuff out the overhead locker. Then they have to stand and hold it while everybody else does the same. very slow getting off, THEN they rush to the carousels...and wait ages for their luggage. We tend to stay seated on the plane, get our stuff when the plane is quieter, slow stroll to the carousel and still get our luggage same time as everyone else.
It was no different when we landed back in Manchester - we arrived at baggage reclaim to find that none of the bags had yet come off anyway and everybody who'd been on the plane with us was still there waiting. And this includes my mother and I complete with wheelchair trekking to the disabled loo and back to the airbridge to re-join all the rest of the 'wheelies' before we even set off for the luggage. Incidentally, we had to do this because the wheelchair access at Manchester is so appalling that you get taken from airside to landside via a very tortuotous route through all the 'backstage' areas that passengers don't normally see!
If one has checked-in baggage to collect, this mad rush to get off the plane first is utterly nonsensical. And it doesn't make much more sense if one only has hand baggage because you'll still spend far longer trekking through the terminal to get out anyway.
SM
I agree with whoever said it that there should be some sort of order to leave the plane, the staff on board must get pig sick of repeating themselves every flight.
Loulou
But if that incident happened on any aircraft I was on I would do exactly the same, screw the passengers with their luggage push them back in their seats and get to the casualty there is no reason not to and it is no only way when there is an emergency on board!
It frightens me when I think about an emergency evacuation situation....some of them really have no idea, and God forbid, it would be everyman for himself, because if you wait for some of them, then you would be dead. Fact.!!!
I can excuse some because they are old and their reactions are not quick, but it is also true that some are just plain pig ignorant.
God, I hope I never end up like that.
If that had been a bottle instead of a crutch, then that bloke would have had more than an headache, and needing a couple of stitches and people still put bags with bottles up there, even though they are told not too.
I personally think that there should be more restrictions on what you can put in the overhead lockers...sorry if that doesn't go down well with people, but by the time we boarded the plane, there was no room in the overhead lockers for our coats and ONE hand luggage bag....and a carrierbag with stuff bought in the duty free, mainly perfume/aftershave and chocolates...so, we had to sit with it between our feet and had our coats on our lap
The reason why we were late boarding from the front entrance, is because they decided to board the disabled passengers on the plane, half way through the abled bodied people boarding...consequently, we and about 30 other people were left standing on the steps and the tarmac, swallowing aviation fuel from another plane next to ours, that was either being refuelled or just revving up the engines.!!!!
The people who boarded from the rear doors, obviously had that much hand luggage, that they used up lockers designated for people sat in the front section of the plane. who were held up outside.
Some of them came on board with "bags" not much smaller in dimensions than my suitcase. and they will insist on ramming them into the overhead lockers, squashing and possibly breaking what you have placed inside your bag up there.
There were loads of things I wanted to buy in the resort, but I knew they would be a pain to get home
Oooooh sorry but this really does annoy me intensely
besos xxx
Sanji
A lot of the fault lies with the check in staff as they often turn a blind eye to the size of bag. Also the trouble is that people then go through security and buy up loads of bottles etc. which make a nonsence of the whole procedure of checking hand luggage.
I also get really annoyed when sometime even before the plane has come to a standstill the seatbelts are off and people are out of their seats. Do they not realise that they will have to wait at the carousel for their luggage anyway?
Sadly another case of 'as long as I am ok, mate, who cares about anyone else' decline in British culture. Let's have a little bit more respect for our fellow beings - it will make travelling a lot more pleasant.
Pippa
I dont get involved in the fight to get off, i wait until most of the pushers have exited before i even get up, i cant see the point.
Its the lie your seat back as far as it will go people that get on my nerves, i am 5ft 10 and have long legs so my knees touch the seat in front when its upright never mind back, and i wont put mine back either nor will i allow the kids to do so, i would feel ignorant towards the people behind me.
A flight to Turkey last year really took the the bloke in front insisted on putting his seat back and was bouncing his seat on my legs, i asked him politely not to do so, he continued and even spilt my coffee, he told me HE had paid for this seat and could lie back if he wanted my reply was i had paid for mine too not to be scalded and not for to have some one lying on my knee
The stewardess had a word with him in the end.
Loulou
Totally agree - we just sit and wait for the rest of the morons to get off the plane - or if I am feeling really cheesed off I will wait until people start to leave the plane then stand up and make them wait for me and my family to move out of our seats
We very rarely use the overhead lockers though..and usually get to the carousel just as the cases start to arrive - then have to fight through whole families who stand near the thing to try to find a space so we can our cases
Hope you had a good time - we are off as usual in August !!
Tina x
It frightens me when I think about an emergency evacuation situation....some of them really have no idea, and God forbid, it would be everyman for himself, because if you wait for some of them, then you would be dead. Fact.!!!
Sanji ... you don't really think that some passengers would waste valuable escape time by going to the overhead lockers for coats and bags, rather than heading to emergency escape chutes ASAP ??
Well, read this from this morning's BBC Scotland news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4601342.stm
David
I wouldn't understand it either (since you always have to wait at the carousel) but my partner is a smoker. After three hours without a fag they would kill to get off that plane so they can go and find somewhere to light up!
After three hours without a fag they would kill to get off that plane so they can go and find somewhere to light up!
Well I`m a smoker and it doesn`t matter whether you disembark first or last ... because until you have reclaimed your luggage and gone outside the airport doors, I think you will find that you are not permitted to smoke in airports....infact, I got fed up of this being constantly announced in East Midlands Airport. ...and if they had shifted their backsides and been more efficient off-loading the suitcases, then people wouldn`t have been getting agitated and wanting a fag.!!!!!
I`d rather have a smoker than a drinker sat next to me ....anytime.!!!!
Atleast a smoker is not half comatosed from alcohol in an emergency situation
How people can drink large amounts of alcohol at 4 in the morning before boarding an aircraft, has always amazed me.....but that`s another story.
David...that story doesn`t suprise me one bit.
besos xxx
SanJi
I have been to Alicante Airport many times and seen a no smoking sign, but nobody ever takes any notice of it, including myself, things may be different now it is against the law to smoke in public places, but when one lights up all the smokers follow and have never seen anyone to tell you not to, especially in the arrivals.
Have a thought for those that do not want to be surrounded by smoke and wait until you are outside the terminal please.
Pippa
Lizzie
I agree with whoever said it that there should be some sort of order to leave the plane
I think that might have been me. People seem to forget that although flying is just another form of transportation, travelling in an aircraft is not like traveling in a Bus or on board a train. Travelling on trains and buses, passengers are getting on and off at various intervals, but seldom all at the same time, unless the train or bus reaches a Terminus.
On baord an aircraft, ALL passengers board at the same Embarkation Point and Disembark at exactley the same destination. An aircraft is a long cylindrical metal tube with limited entrances and exits. Its also my nature, how matter the size of the aircraft, very cramped inside and space is at an absolute premium.
I have never, luckily, experienced an emergency vacuation as yet and I hope I never have to!!, but heaven forbid my chances of survival. If people behave like they do when disembarking from an aircraft on a normal landing, then god only knows how they would behave in a emergency situation.
The Airlines should be forced to introduce some sort of oranised disembarkation of passengers or be refused their licenses to fly. And they should also enforce the what is allowed in overhead lockers rules. I fail to see why airports have all these shops that you can buy large items from AFTER you have checked in and gone through Passport Control. How does one actually get these items on board then? I mean you can buy suitcases in some shops, but what are you supposed to do with them once you are in the departure lounge awaiting your flight to be called? Its nonsensical.
And someone always does that - what is it that they have to get their hands on so urgently? A stash of depleted Uranium?
That always gets a smile and a knowing look from us. We can't do anything about people's idiocy, so we have to laugh really.
But on a more serious note, and getting back to Sanji's original point. This is, in my humble opinion, a very dangerous practice. If a passenger was to suffer a heart attack at that moment, just how would the Flight Attendants reach them? If the passenger fell ill just prior to landing and the flight crew had called for an ambulance, how would the Paramedics reach that passenger amid the chaos and mayhem....ok that may be a bit of a strong word, but its certainly organised chaos.
I appreciate people have been doing this for a long time now, but I think its about time the rules were amended. You are advised to "remain in your seat until the aircraft has come to a complete standstill at the terminal building", but just how many passengers actually do that?
I'm not really sure how this can be enforced, but something has to be done before someone is seriously injured in the mad rush to get off the aircraft.
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