bite and expect to be bitten.

Tabby... as I clearly said, I have no knowledge of the original thread or about anything against the Welsh. My argument is against permitting anything to be said and then claiming the right to freedom of speech. My argument is against those forums that have degenerated into cess-pits of hate and racism. My argument is in favour of a controlled, but warm and friendly forum. What had that got to do with my abilities as a hotelier ?

Did I say that all-inclusive guests are obnoxious ? Definitely not.

I said...

mass market, cheap all-inclusive packages offered by huge resort hotels attracts the worst type of clientel from all nationalities and so, often a few obnoxious people will spoil the stay for the many other guests

A few.

Are you one of the few, Tabby. I am sure not. But I am sure you will agree that in such all inclusive environments one will always get a few louts, regardless of nationality, who are ill-mannered, badly behaved and / or get blind drunk.

It seems to me, that if my opinion is not the same as yours, then its fair game to attack my hotel-keeping abilities.

Furthermore, for the record, I too am British. I have both Swiss and British passports as my father was Swiss but as I was born, brought up and educated in Guernsey and then England I am also British. Does that make me a better person ? No. Its not my nationalities that determine my qualities as a human but what lies in my heart.

But I too, will not be submissive and I will also stand up for my beliefs.

And the main point that I am making is that it is better to have a controlled forum with less freedom of speech but which has been a pleasure to participate in than a forum that is uncontrolled and open to all sorts of evil comments.

And if my belief will lead to others attacking my ability as a hotelier and my business which is my livelyhood then that is my misfortune and so be it.

point taken Swiss but your post did seem a little OTT. I am sure Tabby like you is just using her voice to be heard. Just like the withdrawn thread from yesterday was information about Russians in Egypt and personal experiences. are you suggesting that although this site is informative we should not use personal experiences to describe something? I am sure thousands of people look at this site everyday and you have to have a good balance of views, good, bad, humourous or just plain funny. But the point being is you cannot slate one nationality and expect to be slated for your views on another. It just seems that if you slate the Welsh and disabled, thats fine, but anything else is not acceptable. Will we, as the Welsh and the disabled get an apology, no, will this thread be deleted, yes. I dont care for an apology really, i just wanted to get my point across and hopefully then, the Welsh slurs will also be deleted.

sorry swiss, i dont mean to sound nasty. I just blew a fuse. But there are alot of double standards on here.

WHEN was this thread about the welsh Because I don't remember ever seeing it

Also IMO why do people find it necessary to slate anyone----at the end of the day we're all people with feelings,regardless of nationality and lets face facts there's good and bad in all of us

Pubestone... I made it clear that I am not aware of the threads in question... but I do not like this term "freedom of speech" being used loosely as a means to justify publishing anything. I think we should be accountable for what we say and write. It is better to say nothing than to say anything that may cause offence. I can not and I am not judging the content of the original thread but I am stating my support for the Mods in controlling the forum in the best way that they ( and I stress THEY ) deem fit.

The example I made about the anti-Islamic cartoons was one of the world's recent most notable examples of something that was done to incite hate and yet which, in the words of the Danish government, was permissible under the right to freedom of speech. It is in no way a reflection of my opinion of the HT thread in question as I can not hold any opinion or judgement of that as I do not have any knowledge of it. That example is being used by me as an example of how total unchecked free speech can be so dangerous at times.

I feel that the Mods have made a call, they have taken a decision, and that I respect. I feel that this thread that we are now participating in has blown their decision to remove something totally out of proportion, just like Jack Straw's request to a few constituents.

hi to all... ...i feel that nococdoe is right in his comments,lets try and keep this forum in the way i feel it should be.
everyone giving useful and friendly advice to those that request it.
regards to all ...............john-doe............

So with that in mind, what i thought an educational post, can it be reposted to hear of stories about russians? I'm sure noone will also mind a post about us brits on holiday and our habbits!

I found the post very funny and I enjoyed it. As for asking about free speech, it is not allowed anymore. I think the Swiss guy's post were he admits he did not even read it and then lectures everyone else is out of order.

Come on guys, deep breath, count to ten... Calm down.

I'm breathign but i go on a holiday website, ask a legitimate question see about 2 answers then its deleted....

Whats the point in this site in that case?

As i said.. i'm ofey with running a board of this magnitude and wouldnt do this on my board for the exact reason of uproar!

Poor Briar

Wadding through this lot when she comes on tonight! As though a mods job isn't difficult enough as it is.

Swiss's knowledge of Egypt is one of the most valuable assets the Egypt forum has, he will probably stop posting and be replaced by people who have spent one week there and never left their AI hotel.

And what point does your post prove?! If you don tkneo about the thread i suggest you keep out! I wanted to know legitimatly about an aspect of my holiday.

given this experience i may as well have asked my tour operatoe so it seems the sun is shining out of everyones backside!!!

Thanks John for your comments But it's Her comments not his

Plus I agree with Alan this is getting out of hand and God help Briar when she comes on line!!!!!!!!!!

Also [accuse me of slating ] but some people that are commenting I can't even understand what thay are saying mentioning no names

And also where has this personal slagging of Swiss Come from-------Come on everyone if you can't be friendly don't bother being on the forum

Lets go for a scenario..... i think the bedouin dinner and stargaze is pants.. thw worst waste of money on earth.. i dont thing its worth any persons cash....

Would that get deleted because its an opinion?

all i can say is... I DARE YOU... i dare you to try and veto peoples opoinions.... its EXACTLY the same as giving your opinion on an excursion, bar, hotel If its encountered on your holiday then why should you not ask/be informed about it????????

This action has questioned the integrity of the whole site! We may as well take the brochures word

Mr Parsons

I am not sure why you are being so offensive to me. What right have you to tell me to 'keep out" I was one of the people who responded to you on your original questions on the deleted thread.

I have also responded to another thread you have posted, concerning the type of people you might expect to meet in Sharm.

I am a longstanding member of the forum and try to respond to posts where I feel I can help.

doepsmc

Apologies. I found myself being very irate and i apologise for the harshness of my post

I just feel like i am being kept from the truth about my destination.

kids kids kids im going to put my 7 n 5 year olds on here
it has made good reading
ive meet loads of diffrent nationalitys and theres good and bad but i wonder what they think of us,here come them bloody brits again think they own the place
o in case anyone takes this the wrong way im a brit and proud

Just wondering now about the stature of a website such as this.

People think this will be deleted yet its been getting on for 12 hours or so.

If it were my site it would be gone within 3 at max. Perhaps that threads are allowed to stay so long and then get deleted are the case for infuriating people