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What do you do when you get to the airport all excited and someone asks for your letter of permission?


Thats exactly the situation we could have been in last week and why Im glad Ive read this thread!

But we are in the fortunate situation of being on "good terms"............I do appreciate there must be folk who have no contact with ex partners - this seems to be a real can of worms to be honest :(
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I think the phrase real can of worms accurately sums this up!

Good advice from fwh, especially the note about crossing the Scottish border (which has no doubt drawn a lot of blank looks in England!!).

gazthomas is worryingly close to the truth when he says it's all unenforceable. Thousand of people will go away without the proper paperwork and have no problems at all. Then one day a child will be abducted and the regional authorities will clamp down and cause chaos - whilst the abductor carries on with forged papers because a border guard, in say Faro, has no idea what English notarised papers look like!

It occurs to me that a solution for travel within the EU would be a register where kids affected could be added via the authorties in their home country (showing who is/ isn't allowed to take them and what geographical limits apply). If the missing parent is dead/completey lost it could be sorted out once and registered, the home authorties having the best access to records. Then when the child travelled the authorties in other countries could check the register on line if in doubt - there would be no problem with forged or unfamiliar papers. But I'm not affected by this, anyone who is and likes the idea needs to write to their MEP.
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especially the note about crossing the Scottish border (which has no doubt drawn a lot of blank looks in England!!).


The law in Scotland re guardianship of minors is different to the rest of the UK. Technically a parent could abduct a child and take them over the border. Having done so the parent with custody would have to commence proceedings in Scotland for custody. It has been done.

fwh
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We should of course remember that there are some parents who shouldn't be allowed to take their children abroad, my ex husband being one of them after he abandoned them out in the street late one evening after taking them to the pub and getting drunk :evil: and that was on an access visit in the UK.

(they were 10 and 11 at the time but clever enough to find a phone box and phone me, reversing the charges)

Sorry going :offtop now :oops:
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Hi
I have been a single parent for a while and have taken my two children abroad to greece/spain/portugal etc with my now partner and never had to take any paperwork abroad. However, I did look into taking them to Mexico but I would have had to have an affidavit signed saying that my ex didnt mind me taking them out of the country. Couldnt afford it so went to Turkey instead.

Michelle
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Michelle,

In reply to your Mexico holiday and needing an affidavit, see this link 'Travelling with children'.for future reference if you wished to go to Mexico.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/north-central-america/mexico

Angie.
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Thanks Angie

Never thought to look any further but they are now at that stage that they are horrified at the thought of coming on holiday with me.

Michelle
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the subject of taking someone Else's children abroad is covered in this thread in the general enquiries forum [there are others as well as this question gets asked several times a year].. must admit this is the first time anyone has mentioned children of separated parents... .

wizard
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i didn't have any problems when taking my son on holiday , it was a long time ago so times might have changed . My son has a different surname to me and was on my passport , so you can tell how long ago it was . we have also taken childrens friends away with us , i think aslong as the name on the booking form is correct, and passport upto date then i don think there would be a problem .
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i think aslong as the name on the booking form is correct, and passport upto date then i don think there would be a problem .


and on the day you are stopped on a spot check... or the child is taken ill abroad..... then what do you do [have yu read the main post on the link in my previous post]

wizard
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hi all
once again thankyou for your replies and interest in my original post.
Im glad i posted on this site because as well as gathering information for my situation i have brought an issue to other readers attention that may help prevent future holidays being ruined should they be in a similar position as myself.

As i said in my previous post getting consent from the birth parent to travel is not a problem as there are no custody orders regarding the children due to an amicable divorce with the children living with us and having unlimited access to non resident parent, although i understand that immigration cannot accept a verbal agreement that the parent left behind doesnt have a problem in the children holidaying in any destination. I fully understand why additional paperwork is needed - it important to protect children, what still bugs the life out of me is why this isnt made clear when booking a holiday to portugal if their entry exit requirement differ from other places within europe.

thankyou again

choccieface :)
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if their entry exit requirement differ from other places within europe.


I don't think the requirements differ at all. It is just that it never occurs to people. Because the majority of people are simply taking their two weeks in the sun the immigration authorities do not consider it a priority item.

I accept that there may be problems in the case of some estranged parents, and that is unfortunate, but it is better that people are aware and ensure they do have the necessary paperwork - just in case. One thing for sure, should there be a spate of child abductions by means of the package holiday then the rules would be strictly enforced. Consider that it is not only the UK holidaymakers to whom this can apply. If any of the destinations should suffer the same thing then they could invoke the rule without any notice.

fwh
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we have taken a friend of my daughters abroad a few times...

we always take a letter of consent, with the parents name , phone number, address etc....

and it always states who is responsible for making desicions should that child require hospital treatment ect, ie me!

you can download standard letters off the internet, or just write your own,

we have only been asked for this letter once, on returning to a uk airport, and security at passport control asked for it...

i think it is there to make your life easier, incase medical treatment is needed, or you have to make decsions of some sort....
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I don't think the requirements differ at all. It is just that it never occurs to people. Because the majority of people are simply taking their two weeks in the sun the immigration authorities do not consider it a priority.

fwh


I think because these are my own children who live with me on a permanent basis with no custody issues(i count my self very lucky) and holiday with us, we have taken them to spain previously ,i didnt think that portugal would be any different maybe that was a mistake on my part and just assuming :think . Thats where a travel agent should come into play and flag up this information for people like myself who were unaware of immigration rules for portugal.

ps. when i rang the embassy she did say it needs to be done by a solicitor and not just a letter with details and phone numbers- Whether that would suffice is another story and a risk that some may be prepared to take. I would probably be the one to get stopped!!!!

We are going to seek further legal advice as to whether there is a type of document that can be drawn up and signed by the non resident parent to allow us take the children on holiday at anytime and anywhere up until the age of 18. this would prevent any hiccups when booking future holidays.
If any readers have ever heard of this type of document i would be really interested to read their information.

A big thankyou for your comments.

choccieface :)
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This thread raises issues that most of us were only vaguely aware of if at all, but there's a real can of worms out there with great 'coming a cropper' potential.

Perhaps Admin would make an approach to Ros asking her to consider giving some guidance in her 'Safe and Sound' booklet, please?

After two pages of comments on this thread, we are pretty much still in the dark as what affected persons should do.

Peter
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My son has a different surname to me and was on my passport ,


If I remember right....you needed permission from other parent to have child on your passport...so fact child on it meant permission given.

I had my step son on my passport who didnt have my husband name and therefore also had a different name to mine...who though he stayed with us whenever not in school, didnt even officially live with us ....and my husband had never even been married to his mother....he only had parental responsibility.

My husband couldnt come with us so I was taking children on my own...and I felt it was unfair to leave him out...it was the first family holiday abroad....specially chosen to suit the children....going euro disney then on to Salou in Spain.....so when I applied for my passport he was put on after production of marriage cert , husbands proof of parental responsibilty, and letter of permission from his mother.

I also had another step son who had husbands name ...so same as mine....who lived permanantely with us....and my natural son ...who because I had remarried had a different name to mine...they were both on my passport as well.

I also took with me my natural son who being 15 had his own passport...thought it wasnt worth putting him on mine only to need to get him his own in a few yrs time....he had taken my new married name and for officcial reasons had it double barreled with name on his birth cert.

My step son who has same name to mine was the youngest....he had a little friend ...who was the child of a close friend of mine who also happened to live next door to me ....they were inseperable ...so her mum got her a passport and I took her too.

The only one I took a letter for was my friends little girl....giving me permission to take her ....and also giving me permission to act in parentus locco ....signed by both parents.

The fact the others were on my passport meant permissions already given....and eldest of an age to answer for himself.....but shudder to think of the hassel I would have these days trying to do same thing
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I took my son on holiday with me last year, I had to renew our passports before we left and was never asked for any information regarding his father, even though my surname and my son's are different. Neither was I asked about it when we were away.

I was looking for a holiday for this year for me and my son, but following this thread i don't know what i should do as myself and my ex did not have an amicable split.
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hi sazmo30....the rules here are a parent with parental responsibility can take a child abroad for up to 28 days without the other parents permission.....the mother has automatic parental responsibility unless taken away from her by a court.....a father who was married to the mother also has automatic parental responsibility unless taken away by a court....a father who was not married to the mother has either to have been present when childs birth was registered and have his name entered as the father in the register and on birth certificate ......or have applied to the courts and been granted parental responsibility...

it seems that certain other countries are asking for proof of permission to take a child abroad before they let you through passport control.....could be due to the problems they have experienced in the past when fathers have taken children back to there own countries without permission from the mother....and visa versa.....tweetie
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ps...forgot to say....if you have custody of son but would encounter problems getting letter of permission .....I would take a copy of the papers stating you have custody incase you get stoped
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