Firstly, great site, some good reading and I hope will help me to sort my issues out or at least forget them. (Sorry for the long one, but I feel its good to get as much information across for people to give a fair opinion. )
We booked a holiday with Virgin holidays in January 2010 to got to Windsor Hills Florida, immediately after the booking there were a few issues as we beleived we booked a complete holiday with them but didn't realise that the car was not for the full duration (which was not at all clear) and didn't make sense to us however came to some agreement on that at our extra cost and carried on with the booking? (Since when is a ‘complete holiday' a fly drive and if they say car hire is essential why is in not included for the whole period of the holiday)"¦ ?
5 weeks prior to departure they wrote to us telling us that we could not go to Windsor Hills due to property repossession and they had relocated to us to another villa resort named Emerald Island. This was disappointing as we really wanted to go the Windsor Hills having spent a long time researching before the booking to go there and when comparing we felt that it was a much improved facility than the relocation now offered having a much better and larger communal pool with slide, better bar and restaurant plus being a newer complex. We did manage to find availability directly with the resort for Windsor Hills (which we sent to them) however as it was only a few weeks away it was more expensive and Virgin were adamant in not being able to provide us with any accommodation there no matter what we found, so we ended up going to the Emerald Island rather than cancelling the whole thing and going without a holiday. I found the terms of booking allowed compensation for any alterations less than 6 weeks from departure and although Virgin rejected it at first the paid us £25/person totalling £175.00 compensation. We also managed to negotiate a bit of extra discount with them on park tickets which we bought through them.
When we arrived at the resort late on an evening, although the accommodation didn't quite meet the expectations having read what was on offer at the Windsor Hills (not on the virgin site as they give no real information so I suppose cant be relied upon), we were not really that disappointed as we were on holiday and it was clean, tidy and forecast was sunny. The following day we went to collect our gate pass at the main reception to be told that the communal pool facilities and tiki bar/restaurant etc were closed for refurbishment and would remain closed for our whole holiday. As you can image this was annoying as they, moved us here based on providing the same facilities as the orignal booking which were now shut. We went straight to the Virgin office and got their 10min before it shut (Sunday) however it was locked up. We did see the rep leaving about quarter of an hour later but he said it was too late for him to do anything and come back the next day which we did and reported the situation again, the Virgin rep sent us to the villa management company who took the report and said they would come back to us, which again they did the following day telling us the information we had received from the resort reception was correct!... eh!.. We asked what they could do about it and they basically said they didn't need to do anything as the villa we stayed in had its own pool. Now to explain, we deliberately booked a gated community with communal facilities so that we could spend time on site and have access to a larger pool and eat/drink on site without taking the car and paid more for the holiday for them, so to be told by them that we didn't need them anyway and could manage without really pee'd us off. It is difficult to know the exact figures at the time we booked but checking now for next year the basic cost on their web site for staying at the same location with the communal facilities as opposed to one of their standard villas without the facilities shows a difference in the standard guide price of the accommodation only as £50-£60 per adult (there were 4 of us) plus 3 kids, so whay pay more for no benefit....
The rep never came back to us so we emailed virgin immediately to log a complaint in writing bearing in mind we first reported the the first full day of our 14 days and they replied letting us know the local rep would be in touch, which they eventually did not day 4 and left a message on my answer phone basically telling us that as we had taken some compensation prior to the holiday they couldnt do anything"¦ I couldn't believe this as the compensation was paid out in accordance with their own terms for late changes and I didn't expect that this would basically mean we had to accept anything that happens or further changes. I again emailed Virgin voicing my opinion and again recevied an emailed apology stating they would get the local rep to get in touch. After all the exchange of emails and a slow lcoal rep we were now 8 days into the holiday and in my opinion too late to really change anything however another message came on my answer machine by way of an apology from the local rep along with the offer of some 'free' meal vouchers which we took but left no doubts that we would be in contact on our return.
The person we dealt with by email sugested we write in on our return explaianing the problems and issues we had, so we sent in a letter of complaint outlining the issues we had and asking for some form of explanation as to why things seemed to have been so bad.... We have just received a letter back from Virgin which states that the closure of the facilities is unfortunate and beyond their control but that they did all they could at the time but as a goodwill gesture offered 15% of the 'accommodation only' cost to be refunded (£165.00) less the value of the meal vouchers taken whilst on holiday giving a total refund value of £80.00"¦. Now I am not an ungrateful person (or don't believe that I am) but feel as though Virgin just don't give a damn that they couldn't deliver the holiday we booked initially or the substitute they gave us 5 week prior to leaving, they did not do anything to try and deliver the holiday we asked for prior to departure and did even less once there and now have the cheek to offer compensation less the value of something they gave us as an apology when we were there (I have the voice message still on my phone apologising and offering the vouchers)"¦ I made the error of booking with a company I expected would provide a good reputable service and paid well over £1000 more for a travel agent to arrange for the peace of mind, but to be honest they have been nothing less than useless, inconsiderate and very uncaring in the customer service and not forgetting if we had booked the holidays on offer without the facilities with virgin we would have saved much more than the compensation offer"¦..
Am I being unreasonable in expecting some form of better explanation and even a refund for the facilities not being available and not to expect something offered as an apology at the time for their service being rubbish to be deducted from that (If I had known it was going to cost me I would have bloody took them?) Is it even worth trying to fight virgin to accept they have been nothing less than poor or are they just to big a opponent. As you can probably tell, I am quite wound up with feeling like they have taken my money and then wiped their feet all over me and my family so any thoughts please, even if the truth of the matter is I am over reacting and too stop whining and get over it"¦"¦"¦"¦.
Oh, Virgin Atlatic were brilliant , just the holiday side of comapny that were rubbish...
It's the compensation paid before you went. Basically you viewed the "late change" compensation as being for the late notice of the change - like you would! They seem to be saying that it is for the change of standard. I don't recall us ever getting one like thsi before and so can't think of any past cases to refer, it would be interesting in court. Did their T&Cs offered a cancellation with full refund option in the event of late change like this because if they are going to act like this that would be the better way out!
And which bit of the holiday wasn't covered by the car hire? You'd sort of expect to have it for both airport transfers so was it taken away in the middle? Very odd!
there was another complaint about the organisation side of Virgin fly drive holidays last week, is there a trend forming here? have they changed senior managers?
Although as you said your post was a bit long, you succeeded in explaining the issues thoroughly.
Basically you viewed the "late change" compensation as being for the late notice of the change - like you would! They seem to be saying that it is for the change of standard.
I agree with that statement and would proceed on that principle. In my letter of complaint I would point that out clearly. I don't think you are being unreasonable or whinging and I hope you managed to enjoy your holiday in spite of the let down.
Alternatively, if it was a package holiday (flight and accommodation) and the car was added on, the car hire is for the duration of the holiday.
I presume it was the flydrive that was booked in this instance, especially as the OP seems to know how much his villa at Windsor Hills was costing.
The holiday was booked through them on the internet in the section ‘complete holiday' which is actually the section above ‘flydrives' on their web site. Orlando villas are an accommodation choice but only on the final booking confirmation the words 'fly drive' are mentioned. We booked the flight out, villa, car and flight back with them all at the same time but the car was only allowed for 7 days which just seemed stupid. This was not covered in the ‘important notes' where some things like no guaranteed spa etc were, but the dates were shown on the booking under the car bit just not very noticeable and we never thought to expect they would be different, The invoice had the costs broken down so that is how we know what the costs of the individual parts were.. Just to add they sent me a letter explaining the car hire issue, stating that as we were in a location that had facilities such as communal pool, restaurant etc car hire wasn't essential as it was classed more as a resort. This may have been true was true for the first location but not the alternative they provided and any facilities there were closed anyway so in he end we had no choice but to have a car for the full duration.
To be honest i am unsure whether this is jsut very sloppy service of whether it is almost deliberately misleading to force these add on's after which to me doesn't really represent good practice"¦..
The issue of the car only being for certain days is almost Ryanair style marketing! It's like saying the car's included but the seats are extra!! If you don't extend it for the full length do you have to take it back to the airport in the middle of the holiday?
If you don't extend it for the full length do you have to take it back to the airport in the middle of the holiday?
This was my query to them in the first instance and the answer was yes.. I would need to return the car to the airport after 7 days, then make my own arrangments to get back from the airport to the self catering villa for the rest of the holiday and again where we would have no transport for 7 days and then again neede to make our own arrangmenets to get back to the airport for the flight home (transfers not available)... If i had booked the flights, then added accomodation and then added car i could appreciate some discrpencies in date but we didnt and their website had this holiday listed under the 'complete holidays' section where it is still available for booking which it is obviously isnt and in our opinion very misleading...
I have been trying to find the 'complete holiday' section but I must be looking in the wrong place. Can you post a link please?
https://www.virginholidays.co.uk
If you tick the complete holidays section and then from the drop down menus, Florida then florida homes that is the same route we booked on. Link to web page snap on image shack (again without www) in case you have any difficulties..
yfrog.com/nbvirginsitep
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Glynis HT Admin
2010-10-27 11:37:12
edit to add link
ie 2 weeks.Flydrive 349.00 2 698.00
In their info I also got:-
We've made settling in to your Orlando villa as easy as pie. You'll simply pick up your hire car and directions from the airport and make your way there. The following morning you'll enjoy a welcome meeting - a great chance to find out more about how to get the best out of your Orlando holiday (excludes guests staying at Regal Palms, Highlands Reserve or Lindfields Reserve).
But not sure if this is the type you booked.
Just had a quick mooch in "Complete Holidays", went into a Kissimee search (because that was already selected) and spotted something else that's "interesting". You are transferred from the airport to your accomodation by bus and the Dollar rep picks you up next morning to go and get the included car - fair enough. But there's a small note that the bus won't serve a number of the locations they sell. So your "Complete Holiday" at those places doesn't seem to include airport transfers! Even a cheap package to a Spanish costa normally includes transfers.
Flydrive 349.00 2 698.00
we got
Flydrive 417.00 4 1668.00
as it included 4 adults (3 kids also)
I used the same informaton as you to them saying that this was suppposed to be a comlete holiday booking and car hire should be included however on the booking the dates for the car are shown as less then the holidy. It is easier to see now as they have actually added the days in bold when they were not before but unless you were looking it is very easy to miss, especialy with a web site as it times out on us a couple of times and we had to re-enter all the details again so you do en dup rushing.....
Te annoying thing is that they have an area for 'important notes' which covered silly thing sin our no urantee of spa or LCD in every room etc and you had to tick it to confirm you had read it, yet no mention of the reduced car hire... Bit more imprtant i would have thought
I havent replied to Virgins last letter giving 15% of the villa cost back LESS the value of the free vouchers they offered as apology whilst we were there to the grand sum of £80...(which they have actually included a cheque for - again seems a bit bullish as though we have to take it)............. If we had booked the basic villa with no communal faciliy the web site shows it as being roughly £60/pp cheaper (4 adults 3 kids)... hmmmm
Thanks very mcuh for the replies, i havent ever had a reason to feel aggrieved like this before so wasnt sure if i was just over reacting or at fault if this was very much the norm...
I have just been doing a dummy booking also, and found that in the price breakdown box you have accommodation = price, flydrive = price, atol protection contribution = price etc.
I am confused, yet again, as any atol bonded holiday has to be sold at a complete price - ie no price breakdown.
I did a dummy booking too including putting fake names in and then got to this screen:
PS:
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We even upgraded the car for a bigger one whilst booking and still never noticed... This is probably what gets me the most is the lack of clarity almost seems deliberate to get you afterwards as i have been...
I edging towards saying the car issue is down to ineptitude by Virgins marketing/web design people rather than deception or Ryanair style practices. But your main problem is the change of villa and the problems that caused. If everything had been done promptly the refund they offer based on villa prices (on top of the late change payment already made) might have been OK but you seem to have wasted some of your holiday chasing them up and their offer doesn't cover that.
When selecting car hire Virgins website always seems to give you 7 days car hire and then you have to do a manual adjustment to the system telling them what day you want to return the car (and also what airport if you are doing a two centre or multi centre holiday ) - I think it is because they only automaticallt include 7 nights and then all extra nights are added on at extra cost and then you have the option to add on various different car insurance packages, should you so wish.
I think you may have probelms persuing this aspect as it has been like this for as long as I can remember. They may do this as unlike charter companys you can travel virtually any day Virgin Atlantic Fly and choose a holiday of any duration subject to availability, so not the standard 7,14,21 nights you would get with Thomas Cook, First Choice etc
My biggest issue is their atitude to be honest their last letter with the best and final offer enclosing a cheque of £80 without even liasing with us. Almost a take this ang go away....
Cost wise, to book a standard villa with no facilites (based on 2011 costs) is roughly £340 cheaper than to go to the resort we were at with the facilities (shut for our visit). For a holiday that including park tickets worked out at £460/day for us all (4a 3k) all the messing about, chasing reps around, emailing etc to try and get moved to somewhere with facilites open £80.00 seems a bit poor... I also think they have a cheek deducting the lunch vouchers that the local rep gave us as an apology for messing us about....
I am gonna drop them another letter and will keep you posted of the outcome. Like everyone i would like to at least think i got value out of what i paid for which i dont at the moment, but more than that it would be nice for them to apologise, accept they were useless and should be more aware of what works are planned at facilties they are sending guests too, in our case only 5 week before we went there............
Rant over.. update you later....
I think you are right about the car i'm afraid. The other issues are really fair points so good luck with them and let us know how you get on. You certainly didn't get what you paid for.
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