Due to length of issues I will try to be as brief as possible:
In Oct 2007, I booked 2 week holiday, (commencing 24th May '08), for me and my partner at the IFA Hotel Continental, Gran Canaria through Thomas Cook.
2 weeks prior to going on hols I was notified by Dutch friends (who we were meeting up with), that their Tour Operator had informed them the hotel pool was closed. As a result they cancelled their holiday.
I contacted T. Cook via phone and email to query why they had not told us. The Customer Service advisor said she would speak to technical operations and they would get back to us. Despite a follow up email to the Customer Service advisor, we never did get a response/explanation, nor the opportunity to cancel or change hotels.
I visited the hotel website which informed the pool had been closed since 5th May and completion date was estimated as 26th May, so surely the T. Cook rep would have been aware of such considering he visits everyday and during wlecome meetings shows guests around the hotel and its surroundings?
Tickets were supposed to arrive 7-10 days before our holiday but with 3 days to go there was no sign of them. Phoned T. Cook who said we could pick them up from the desk at Gatwick.
On the day we were due to fly out, I received an email confirming this. In addition, I received a letter from T. Cook (dated 20th May) with an attached information letter for revised flight times dated 1st March!
It stated that our return flight from Las Palmas had been revised and we were due to fly 5 hours earlier than the time on our tickets but our outbound journey from Gatwick would remain the same.
However, when we got to Gatwick at check-in we were informed our 22:40 flight would be delayed by 1 hour 40 minutes.
We were called to the boarding gate at around 23:45, only to be kept waiting 1 hour. It was then announced that the plane had a cracked windscreen and another plane was available but there was insufficient crew to man it and the pilot could not fly this particular aircraft.
We were returned to the departure lounge and told to wait at the information desk for vouchers to spend on food and non-alcoholic drink and await a further anouncement at 01:30.
At around 01:30, we were given an estimated flight time of 08:15 and a £12 voucher.
By this time, the only place open for food was McDonalds, who were serving just muffins and coffee.
Having been in the airport for some 6 hours, several of us smokers requested to be taken somewhere for a cigarette. At 14:20, a T. Cook representative took us on a long trek to do so and instructed us to 'just come back the same way'. He had taken us through a couple of combination locked security doors, so we found it impossible to do so and ended up back at check-in. We went to the T. Cook desk to explain and were told that we would have to wait until 06:00 to get back in the departure lounge. After many complaints, it was decided we could go back through at 03:20.
However, we were told that we would have to take back any liquids we had bought in duty-free back to the shops for a refund. As this was impossible as all the shops were shut, we were told we would have to throw them away. I, for one was not prepared to incur such a loss and argued the point. In the end, I had to put it in my shoulder bag and check it in as hold luggage, even though there was no way it could be secured appropriately.
We eventaully arrived at our hotel 10 hours late and after dumping our luggage in the room went to the main pool, which was fenced off with notices saying it was closed.
We went to the small pool but there was no room or any available sunbeds. As a result, we returned to the main pool area and grabbed 2 sunbeds but there were no mattresses so we ended up going back to our room for the rest of the day for a lie down.
The pool did open the following day but the knock on effect of the closure meant the daytime activities were not up and running as per normal, (we have used this hotel twice a year for the past 5 years, so know what to expect). Adding to all this, the sports court was in a dangerous state (I took photos) and table-tennis was unavailable for a whole week as there were no bats. We also bought Li-Lo's to lounge on in the pool but on our 3rd day were told by the Lifeguard they were no longer allowed. I pointed out that the main notice board outlining pool regulations has no mention of this whereon he took me to the opposite side of the pool to show me an A4 piece of paper that was pinned to a tree trunk that said 'no inflatables'....hardly noticeable unless you are standing right next to it! So, we had wasted 20 euros all because the hotel could not be bothered to inform guests by putting the notice where it should be....on the pool regulations board! (I also have photos showing the location of each notice).
To top it all, as we had received written notification from T. Cook of a revised return flight time of 22:20, we were ready and waiting in the hotel lobby at 19:30 for the coach. However, it did not arrive until 01:00 which was the scheduled time for our original flight time of 03:50 from Las Palmas. At no time did T. Cook inform us that the revised time had been nullified.
So, not only did we lose 10 hours at the start of our holiday, we also lost 5 hours at the end!
We spoke to several people from the UK who had booked through T. Cook. It appears some were informed in advance of the pool closure and given the option of changing hotels or cancelling but those who were not informed were upgraded from half-board to all-inclusive as recompense. Unfortunately, we did not see them again to be able to get their contact details.
What are our chances of being successful at claiming compensation and what is considered as a reasonable offer?
Did you take up any of these concerns with the rep in resort?
Saw him again on 07/06/08 to complain about other things and found out he hadn't collected the first one!
So, I gave him both, which he signed 07/06/08 and gave me copies of.
I queried him signing my initial complaint on a later date to me and asked if it would mean the complaint would not be valid. He said that because he had issued the form and was aware of the complaint and I had actually signed it on 25/05/08 it proves I had brought it to his attention.
Apart from that he didn't give a response other than agree I should put it in writing to T. Cook on my return.
At the airport I spoke to another rep who said he had never heard of flights from Las Palmas going at the revised time that T. Cook had informed us of and said he couldn't offer an explanation.
First is that you had found out there were substantial works that effected your holiday yet when approached Thos Cook failed to address or reply to your queries.
Second there were problems regarding flights and difficulties at the airport. Delays that are due to unexpected problems with an aircraft are something that could not be foreseen, but the manner in which you were treated by their representatives does leave much to be desired.
The fact all food outlets but McDonalds were closed is something no TO can do anything about.
I am a smoker but accept that in some cases I am unable to get access to a smoking area. That's life.
The problems with your duty free is nothing to do with the TO. Your problem was caused by the security regulations.
The problems you experienced at the hotel is something you would have expected the rep to sort out. They failed to do so. Some years ago we also had a problem - with Thos Cook coincidently that the rep would not address. I emailed head office from the resort and got action within 24 hours.
Always worth considering even if nothing happens.You establish there is a problem which can assist your case when you return.
I would suggest you read your story through and consider what part is sods law - the food problems and duty free - and what parts really needs to be addressed and possibly compensated.
Compose your letter of complaint with bullet points for each particular grievance. With respect, what you have written is hard to read due to lack of paragraphs. Any letter of complaint needs to be as clear as possible and each specific point made clear.
Attach copies of the complaint forms completed and signed by the rep (never originals) and send your letter - signed for either recorded delivery or registered post.
Normal practice is for an acknowledgement within the 28 days they are allowed after which they then have a further 28 days.
I would suggest you apply a time limit of 21 days from the date of your letter, and advise you may institute legal proceedings if they fail to reply positively within that period.
The code of practice states 28 days but there is no reason why you may not apply your own conditions providing they are reasonable.
fwh
To explain further: the vouchers were to get food/non-alcoholic drink. Considering we were supposed to have a meal on the plane, cake and coffee is hardly a substantial alternative, plus I do not eat muffins. In addition, if there had not been an hour delay in getting the vouchers, we could have eaten in a restaurant. Adding to that, I forgot to mention that the vouchers were dated incorrectly as the 24th May when in actual fact we got them on 25th May, which meant they were not valid for the date we needed to use them. When the eateries eventually opened (05:00) they refused to accept them, which meant another trip to the information desk and more wrangling with T. Cook.
I quite understand that we had no God given right to be taken for a smoke but in all fairness, the Rep should have told us that we would have to go back through customs again. It would then have been our informed choice whether to go or not.
My post was meant to give the gist of our predicament and not in the form I would send to T. Cook. I have an hons degree in English so am quite capable of writing a coherent letter, correctly paragraphed and punctuated.
I intend to follow through my grievance and will not hesitate to take it to the small claims Court if I do not receive a satisfactory response from Thomas Cook in the very near future. I will give them the required 28 days and then file a claim.
You certainly do have some valid points. I would do as fwh says and bullet point the letter in a clear and concise manner. What went wrong and how it affected you. Clear out the stuff that they are not responsible for. They will not give you a thing for airport procedures being inconvenient or just plain incorrect.
Tell them how much you are expecting in the way of compensation - many folks pussyfoot around the issue and its best to make your intentions known from the beginning.
Don't threaten legal action unless you are 100% committed to following it through. Because of the compensation culture we live in these days, TO's receive 100's of letters making threats for the silliest of things (sea too cold/salty/fishy, it's raining/too sunny, lack of English food and foreigners - I kid you not) and they just don't take them seriously and understandably so in cases like these.
On a final note, I'm sure fwh meant no offence. He's just trying to help.
Louise
I'm clear on what you say but not sure what is a reasonable amount to ask for re: compensation.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Re the loss of enjoyment of your holiday, that's going to be much harder to quantify and to start with most TOs operate a rule of tumb that the flights account for 60% of the holiday cost and so any compensation will be based on a % 0f 40% of the total cost of the package. I'm not sure how much value you can put on the missing poolside activities etc but if you ended up spending money to keep yourself occupied that you wouldn't otherwise have had to spend then that's another good starting point.
With regard to the delays and the problems at the airport, it sounds as if they met their obligations re refreshements in the end even if you did have a lot of hassle, so I wouldn't expect to much there - the big compensation payments only kick in later are are really related to you being bumped off flights and not delays due to technical problems with the aircraft. It might be worth checking out what compensation for delays might be payable against your travel insurance.
SM
Hmmm....what about the fact that not only did we have a 10 hour delay to start the holiday but also received a letter the day before our holiday (dated 1st March) stating our flight back was to be 5 hours earlier. We ended up waiting the whole 5 hours and were not informed that our flight had been reverted back to its original scheduled time.
Re the delay on the way back - was the revised earlier departure time confirmed in the resort? Did you check with a rep and were you specifically told by them that the revised time still stood? And was there a notice telling you when the bus pick-up would be? I'm not being awkward - simply asking the questions that the TO will ask.
Finally, the best person to give you some sort of more definite answer is Ros - have you spoken to her? And what has her advice been?
SM
Wasn't there a notice board in the hotel confirming your pick up/flight time as this is usually the case when travelling on a package holiday? Were other holidaymakers waiting also?
I would certainly submit a letter outlining the main points of your complaints ie the fact that you weren't informed of the pool closure, the tennis court condition etc. If you include your photo's obviously keep copies.
I'd mention the return flight fiasco as well (send them photocopy of your letter and a copy of the date franked envelope), and you can then add for eg 'this situation added to our frustration due to our outbound flight being delayed by 10hrs'. So I'd make the return flight your main complaint but add the outbound flight at the end to show that you had problems with both legs of your journey.
There were no other holidaymakers from our hotel flying back to the UK (or anywhere else for that matter).
I might have been inclined to check with the rep to be on the safe side and to check what time my 'new' pick up time was.
I think that I would have been so inclined too and I suspect that not doing so provides the TO with a 'get out of jail free' card on that because there's now no way that you can prove that if asked , that they wouldn't have made it clear that the original times stood and that you wouldn't be picked up until 1.00am.
Upon arrival at Gatwick I asked at the T. Cook desk but they were not aware of any changes.
I asked the TC hotel Rep on our 2nd day to find out why the flight had changed. He phoned the airport who were not aware of any such changes but it turns out his enquiry related to the weekend before we were due home, (we were on a 2 week holiday; not 7 days).
On the day before our return I asked him again to check as the flight times on the noticeboard were showing as the original scheduled time. He said he was not aware of the flight being brought forward 5 hours but it was our decision to take a risk of missing our flight if it had been revised without his knowledge. After all we had been through, we weren't prepared to take a chance of being told we had missed our pick up and flight and therefore would have to wait for a flight with available seats or pay for it and be stuck at the airport for hours on end so spent the last 5 hours of our holiday in the hotel lobby .....waiting yet again!
Members and contributors to HT may only express their own personal views and opinions.
Whilst some of them may be very accurate due to the occupation or experiences of the poster they are still only a personal viewpoint.
Postings back and forth are not taking you any nearer to a solution.
The very simple answer to your problem is to contact Ros Fernihough
Contact details here - viewtopic.php?f=49&t=117254
The only connection that Ros has with HT is the number of members she has helped.
She neither reads or contributes to the forum and is one of the top people in the country on travel law and its many alleyways.
fwh
Yes, I have tried contacting Ros to no avail. It may have been too late in the day. What hours is she available?
For some reason the link did not work when I posted before.
Ros is available normal office hours. If you don't get through to her you will definitely speak to her P.A. Pam who is extremely helpful and efficient.
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