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I'm so pleased rpbristol mentioned BYKI and gave the link. I'm trying to pick up a smattering of Danish on that, as I have a friend living there now and visit her and her husband every year. I go to Tunisia regularly so I've picked up some Tunisian Arabic, which most of the locals appreciate, though the other year, when I politely declined to buy something in the Medina, I got the reply "Everyone's b***** speaking Arabic now" :rofl
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after going to turkey so much over the years we have picked up quite a bit ,even my 8 yr old can say quite a lot now, my hubby can hold some conversations with the turks which sounds very impressive, although he does sometimes get mixed up when words sound similar, 1 example that had me in stitches for ages was when he learnt how to say in turkish i live here, but when he said it in turkish it came out as im going to the toilet here :rofl , oh we did have a laugh after eventually finding out what he said in error, now he says both when he has his silly head on lol and knows the turkish person well enough !!! we know all the basic sentences ie, how are you, the bill please,i dont understand, where is the toilet,i would like and i do not like, how much is it and can order a full meal and drinks in turkish and ask for without spices ,onions etc , but hubby can go better than that and say a lot more than i can, just by buying turkish translation cds etc hes learnt loads
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i have used the BYKI site to brush up on my spanish, and also to learn a few words of bulgarian - to surprise a friend- and find it great for getting the pronunciation right.
i am currently using the bbc site, when i can find time, and it does help enormously.
however i have found speaking the language with locals is still the best way to learn, although it can be very frustrating at times.
i speak\skype message daily with my friend in spain and we have now started with me using spanish and them using english. this gives us both a good laugh and we both learn a little.
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Slightly off topic here but I have to disagree about government policy allowing kids drop languages at 14.

At my kids school, French and Spanish are compulsory until 14 then they are allowed to drop 1 of them if they wish. They choose which language they do at GCSE level.

The only children allowed to drop both are a small minority who are struggling with English and maths when the time is used to give extra help in these 2 essential subjects.


Jan400, I'm pleased to see that the school your children go to has such a policy but this a local one decided by them. Until 2004 it was also national policy but since September 2004 a modern langauge is no longer a statutary requirement within the National Curriculum with the result that more than 1 in 3 teenagers no longer study a modern foreign langauge over the age of 14.

SM

PS Sanji - I'm flattered that you appear to think I'm of the 'younger' generation! I would guess that I'm possibly a a little younger than you but I'm definitely a member of the same 'older' generation as you. It's just that I'm planning to work for a few more years so that I can maximise my pension and afford to keep travelling once I do retire. :D
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Many years ago, I purchased Linguaphone to learn some Spanish. When we couldnt find 'Port Aventura' one holiday in Salou, I was able to ask someone in Spanish, where is it, when he replied, my Husband asked what he said to me. I had to be truthful and tell him I didnt have a clue, Linguaphone has not taught me the answers, just how to ask :rofl

Now I am learning some Turkish, via holidays and friends, and I must admit I am getting along better with this than Spanish. :tup
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Until 2004 it was also national policy but since September 2004 a modern langauge is no longer a statutary requirement within the National Curriculum with the result that more than 1 in 3 teenagers no longer study a modern foreign langauge over the age of 14.

And that is the crux of the matter, IMO, You're not going to be able to do much with the "older" generation unless they are prepared to pay for lessons or have a computer/library and the commitment, and not forgetting that the older you get, it seems harder to retain the information because you can read every Spanish book available, but unless you get to grips with the verbs and the pronunciation, then you will be struggling for months/years, and the only way to overcome this problem is to hear it spoken. day in, day out"¦.this is how some people employed in the tourist industry obtain their English.

Children on the other hand are like sponges, they soak up the knowledge and IMO learning a foreign language should start before the age of 11 years old and be compulsory.....so yes, IMO the fault is clearly with the Education system/Government and when people come out with statements that we are a "lazy nation" and blame anybody except the Government, then they are doing exactly what most Governments would like you to do...that is, blame anybody, bar them.!

Some mature waiters have never been to school to learn Spanish, never mind English, because before the tourist boom a lot of them were peasants living and working on agricultural land, but they can understand snippets of several languages because over a period of time the tourists have requested the same thing.
The younger generation are taught English at school, they are exposed to the English language from the tourists and listen to English spoken pop songs every day.

You tell me the last time you heard a pop song sung in Spanish played on British radio.? apart from Shakira incorporating snippets of the Spanish language into her "hits""¦you can't.
I wish I had a penny for the number of times I've sat in front of my computer and had this silly American talking "Hispanic Spanish" back at me (that's because the CD was produced in the USA)"¦...I'd be rich. ;-)

The verbs (los verbos) in the Spanish language are a pain to learn and it took me a very long time to get my head around them, they are the most boring thing to learn, but vital to learn if you want to talk in a different tense, otherwise you will always be struggling.

I sometimes wonder if learning snippets of the language is really beneficial, except a few polite words like gracias, por favor, hola, buenos días, buenas tardes/noches ( thank you, please, hello, good morning, good evening/night) because I've been through the stage where you rehearse in your head a sentence and you feel really proud of yourself, then they fire back at you at break neck speed in Spanish and you don't understand a word they say, so you say "Lo siento, mas despacio por favor, soy Inglés" (I'm sorry, more slowly please, I'm English) and nine times out of ten what do they do.?

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They immediately switch to English"¦it might be broken English, but English it is.! :rofl
Sanji
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Sanji, how right you are!

My boyfriend is Spanish, and I keep saying "teach me some Spanish", his reply... "there's no rush", and he just talks to me in English. If I'm lucky he will repsond with bien to my como estas? !! His English, which was already pretty good, is now considerably better and my Spanish, well....... I've just enrolled on a Spanish course tonight, it may cost me more but it will be quicker!

Louise
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H Louise
Oooooo, I should lay some ground rules down if I were you.
Fair exchange is no robbery, my English for your Spanish ;)
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This reminds me my Spanish teacher (who is now a friend) she went for an interview for some University position or to do an advanced Spanish language course of some kind...can't remember which, but there's a panel asking her questions in the interview....
Question:Did you learn you present level of Spanish at school/college?
Answer: No
Question: Have you lived in Spain or a Spanish speaking country ?
Answer: No
Question:Have you studied at the Open University.?
Answer: No

Several other options fired at her, then finally they ask....

Where did you learn your Spanish from then.?

Answer: From my Spanish lover :rofl
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I usually make sure I drink plenty of the local brew. I find that the more I drink the more fluent I get in the local language! ;)
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I actually tried Arabic lessons at a local college a few years ago but gave up quite quickly. The teacher was an Egyptian lady who spent a lot of time on the written language. When I said it wasn't much use for most of us, someone said "it's useful to be able to recognise a garage" - all of those I've seen out there have petrol pumps outside. :rofl
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