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Nice one Papa, what happens with swine flu screening, how does it work and did you notice anyone being pulled over ?
Anyone know about the baggage handlers being moved away or was it a one off ? Would be a good improvement without them.
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Great report Papa it sums up exactly my feelings re Goa, if I were to put down my thoughts (I'm three weeks into a four week stay) they would be almost word for word
Alan
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Spike,

The swine flu screening happens just inside the terminal building.They have one of those heat cameras and a couple of people in masks.Every now and then someone gets pulled aside and has a thermometer placed on their forehead this happened to me.

As I said we were lucky there were not that many people in front of us as I can imagine chaos once the whole flight arives inside.As for the swine flu forms do not bother printing the ones off the website.The ones you are given on the plane are much simpler.Pretty pointless though as they are given the most cursory of glances and then stamped and handed back to you.Ours went in the bin in the Hotel.

As for the porters well it really was a breath of fresh air to be able to get your own bags and get to your taxi without being hassled.First time in all our years of going to Goa.Lots of them up at departures but by then they know you are not going to give them much.This is the best thing to happen to Dabolim for years.Not sure how long it will last.Once the correct palms have been greased I am sure things will get back to normal.

Papa
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Papa
My OH and I had a discussion about a major U.K. chain opening a hotel in Goa with all that we have come to expect from our hotels at home. Not that special, say a Travelodge type place but with a pool. Only with our standards of hygiene comfort and professional standards. It would be full all the time but we knew it could never work in Goa.For a start the tour operators would never be able to sell it at a profit.

There I think lies another of Goas problems.We have all got so used to cheap holidays that Goa has become a cliché. Goa equals cheap package tourists. And surely if Goa is to improve it has to attract a more affluent visitor.


Interesting points you have proposed there.

However, I think Goa does very well attracting more affluent visitors, just pop in and have a look at the Taj hotels or the Marriot or Leela Palace - they are always fully booked.
Also, have you noticed how many boutique type hotels have been springing up - and they're not cheap.
The same is true of the better quality restaurants - they don't need touts outside trying to persuade diners to come in and eat - they are fully booked nights in advance.

As for Goa being "a cliché that equals cheap package tourists" - we knew nothing about that the first year we booked.
Our first visit was a cheap package and we chose Goa because of the good winter weather, and it looked like an interesting place to stay.
However, ever since then we have booked our own flights and accommodation - but I can't say it has ever been cheap and we don't stay in places like the Taj or Marriot.

The problem with providing cheap long haul package holidays is - the profit margins are so small for the hotels that they can't possibly provide a quality product. The cheap packages also attract huge numbers numbers of visitors to what is basically a 3rd world country (what-ever India likes to think) that doesn't have the infrastructure to cope.
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Max

Good points made.Thanks for taking the time to read my report.Not sure I could justify the cost of the Taj etc.It sort of reinforces the point of the visitors goa attracts at that end of the market.I appear to ba among that type of visitor.Led by the cost and as you said the weather and food etc.

Not sure what the answer is for Goa.For us it may be to go south to avoid what is happening around the CCB belt.

I still love Goa but not the uncontrolled and slapdash development.

The thing is even the South will probably end up like Calangute.

Papa
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Just read Papas posting and have to say we have been noticing the changes for several years now and agree wholeheartedly with sentiments expressed. Thing is, we too love the place and keep going back. There is a certain magnetism that stops us looking at alternatives or maybe we are just set in our ways! That said, we have niggling doubts and concerns after reading postings on other issues, particularly Sinquerim beach erosion, the usual shack fiasco and inattention to improving the resorts. We are still looking forward to our annual Xmas /New Year visit and meeting up with old friends and sincerely hope things are not as bad as they seem.
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Totally agree with you Papa and i am here a lot longer than 6 months a year.
How many english are staying in The Taj or The Marriot?
Every day i hear people complaining about things in Goa and how it has changed.
It's still reasonably cheap and you are gauranteed gorgeous winter sunshine....that is the reason most are here,especially long termers.
I am here for the above reasons but as soon as i find somewhere i think will be suitable for me i shall be off because the place has gone downhill and there's no denying that.
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Very good honest report. Must admit our first visit 10/11 years ago was because it was a cheap place to get to out of the horrible winter but now the cost of the holiday is secondary, not because I am rich! but I now go because I love the great variety of food not to mention the unbroken sunshine and relaxed way of life. We love to see all the people we have met over the years and of course nowhere else has the meet ups on a Wednesday night. I am afraid I am one of those people who look at things through rose tinted specs and I am not afraid to admit it because I love my time in Goa every year.
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BrenLiz

Me too.

Post all the bad things as I get home and then as the weeks wear on the rose tinted glasses come back on.

Not sure how long that will last though.

Papa
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Good report, Papa. We were there at around the same time as you and had many of the same thoughts.

There's a whole stack of things "wrong" with Goa and if you are the complaining type, it's a question of where you start. But we definitely don't go on holiday to complain and we accept that we're on a different continent and suspend our normal critical faculties. We fully accept things in Goa that we wouldn't put up with in the UK. We know we won't change things so we just get on with it. So long as we can keep on doing this, we'll go back and enjoy the climate, food and people.

Karaoke, bingo, pie and chips, sweaty loud drunken brits abusing local people just because they can get away with it. It made me really sad to see some of the behaviour of my so called fellow countrymen.


Yes, there was more of this and it's not good. There were occasions when it felt like "Benidorm" - loud, tasteless and full of bad language. We also see many Brits who have formed real friendships with local people over the years and respect local people and traditions.

It's this crazy variety that helps to make Goa such a fascinating place to go back to - as we will in February!
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Karaoke, bingo, pie and chips, sweaty loud drunken brits abusing local people just because they can get away with it.

Papa
of all the changes we've seen in Goa since we first visited it 15 years ago, these are the things that make me cringe.
We walked past Ruffles and almost everything on the outside menu board were pies (of all varieties) and things like liver and onions.

However, there must be a demand for this type of food otherwise restaurants wouldn't be offering it.
We just try to find places that have a varied menu of fish, seafood, Indian, Goan and Chinese - and most definitely no Karaoke or quiz night.
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Now lets stop comparing Goa with the Spanish Costas - it will never be the same - although we spend more time in Goa than in our residential home on mainland Spain Goa will never ever be like it. If we had the same climate as Goa in the winter there is no way we would be here.
We have beaches which are cleaned every day, daily rubbish collection, wonderful beach fronts, streets with pavements, parks and gardens which are maintained daily. Kareoke etc is where you look for it - we don't but we go to many wonderful Spanish bars which serve great food.
OK - why are we in Goa - because we love the sunshine and nothing to do with the cost of living - we can afford to live where-ever we like and are soon moving on to spend time in the Australian winter (their summer) but do like to be in Goa where we have many friends which we have made over the years That is the main attraction here for us - we usually meet friends on the beach or in bars every week but this season they are getting less and less.
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I don't think we're comparing the places - ie Goa and Benidorm. Just saying that there's an increasing number of people you see in Goa that would be very much at home in Benidorm

Perhaps we're being unfair to Benidorm in using it as a bye-word for attracting the steak pudding and chips, lager for breakfast, union jacked British slobby tourist. Nothing personal to Benidorm - it's just a way of summarising a type of tourist we all recognise.
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I agree, Roma.

Sunday lunches, bangers & mash, pie and chips, bingo and karaoke are all a main part of many tourist places nowadays. Many Greek islands and Turkish resorts offer these - and they wouldn't do so if there weren't a demand for them.
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Perhaps we're being unfair to Benidorm in using it as a bye-word for attracting the steak pudding and chips, lager for breakfast, union jacked British slobby tourist. Nothing personal to Benidorm - it's just a way of summarising a type of tourist we all recognise.
I don't think we're comparing the places - ie Goa and Benidorm. Just saying that there's an increasing number of people you see in Goa that would be very much at home in Benidorm

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Perhaps we should go somewhere else to discuss this but I do not live in Benidorm - I live in Benalmadena/Arroya de la Miel which is a holiday resort and also a working town but have no wish to compare this with Goa - honestly there is no comparison with infasturacture.
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Sunday lunches, bangers & mash, pie and chips, bingo and karaoke are all a main part of many tourist places nowadays. Many Greek islands and Turkish resorts offer these - and they wouldn't do so if there weren't a demand for them.


Sorry but I'd run a mile away from anywhere offering this cr@p.
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Lots of fish & chip bars popping up here and there,one in paticular very busy....the local bars in Calangute are always busy...so obviously there are a majority of Goa holidaymakers who come here for that.
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