crystalscan Thank you
MarkJ HT Mod
Totaly agree with you lets get back onto topic (although im fuming )
I dont want to get into a slanging match with other members regarding my daughters intellegence, grammer and punctuation
Back to the topic what do holiday reps do?
In my daughters post she mentioned that she has been dealing with 2 statutory rapes, im sure the parents of these 2 girls are very glad they have a rep on hand to help them deal with this horrendous crime, also she is having to deal with the assault of a child all this in between having to do the rest of her duties, the saddest thing about all of this is she is still having guests baying for her blood because the room is not what they wanted or the food is so repetetive or there is far too many russians in the hotels or its too loud and too many children in the hotel, each and everyone of the guests are just as important but i think rape and an assault on a child are much much more important. The names she has been called by some people is actually disgusting, like she said in her post "im a person to" i think sometimes we tend to forget the rep is someones daughter/son working there butts off to try and make us the paying public have a good holiday.
Yes 53 hours with only 6 hours sleep inbetween that time, what she did'nt say is that she is on airport duties tonight so wont be getting into her bed till at least 4am tomorrow then back up again to be on duty at 9am so from sunday till wednesday she will have had a total of 10 hours sleep. dont think any of us would like to do that do you? The question that needs to be answered is how on earth are they supposed to do a job to the high standards the TO expects when they have only had 10 hours sleep
The thing is reps are there for us if and when we need them, they come into there own when things go wrong usually this is when the rep is needed the most (provided the TO has trained them well), yes they are tired they are overworked and underpaid but they are there to try and help you have a good holiday and if you dont need there services a friendly hello goes a very long way to them
I for one would love to have a rep like your daughter britalpha- as i mentioned in my pm to you, she sounds amazing, shame others dont think the same.
When I said get back on topic, I just meant that...... no more comments about spelling/grammar please.
MarkJ HT Mod
I cannot believe that TO's should be allowed to get away with such exploitation of labour Who on earth is going to be capable of producing high standards of customer care after so little rest time and so little sleep.
What your daughter does is even more remarkable to say she has so little time away from her job to recover. Even if she does not sleep, she needs time off away from the job just to get away from it and switch off from whining customers and solving problems.
Brit5alpha.. has your daughter been made to sign such a waver form regarding 48 hours a week work.. or do TO's operate under a separate Health and Safety working employment law to the rest of europe?
Do they not also come under the minimum wage rule?
Brit5alpha
Please don't take this the wrong way, it is said with the best intentions.
Whilst I admire what your daughter does; the long hours, dealing with whinging customers, the wages and the conditions she lives in etc. I'm sorry but I really can't see how she can be happy. In her post she states that it is not the conditions or the pay that have made her think about leaving but the way she is treated by her guests. Her whole post is very negative and does not sound like it is written by someone who truly loves their job, but by someone who is trying to convince others that she loves it,(perhaps you so that you do not worry too much) I am sorry but if that was a daughter of mine I would do everything in my power to get her out.
If she loves the job or not the conditions of her work and accomodation are not fit for an animal. She is obviously a very caring person and there are plenty of jobs where that kind of person is needed that offer better pay and conditions and where her 'guests' would also have the respect for her that she obviously deserves.
Rgds Jackie
Is the minimum wage rule just for the UK? Is the TO a uk based firm or are they bending the rules as their reps mostly work abroad?
I would love to see a "real" fly on the wall documentary regarding reps and what they do instead of all the stuff we have seen before that paints a picture of reps out on the lash all the time encouraging guests to get hammered and degrade themselves in party games involving lots of booze and no inhibitions...
hi to you ..val and rob... you had some good and valid points there,. i wonder if there is anyone who could answer them,. it would be interesting from a legal stand point.............regards......john-doe
The 1998 act refers to people employed within the UK.
I suggested then and do so again - ask the question. A call to the Inland Revenue should point you in the right direction.
As she is paid in the UK then they should be able to advise, or at least put you in touch with someone who can. A case of making some telephone calls.
Data Protection Act will apply, they will not discuss her details with you, but if you explain the reason for your enquiry they can tell you what the law is.
fwh
I suspect that with rep jobs this is exactly the case. So far as the pay goes - I understand that it may start off at a minimum wage (is this perhaps lower than ours in different countries - do some tour operators pay them the rate for the country they are working in rather than the UK rate?), but they deduct accommodation expenses, food expenses, even uniform expenses?
Adults (which means people aged 22 and over) receive the full rate of £5.05 an hour.
A 'development rate' of £4.25 an hour is paid to Employees aged 18 to 21 inclusive.
Having said that, I was informed that the hourly rate for the job I am currentley doing is paid at the National Minimum Wage rate, but I receive £5.25 per hour. I'm a Care Worker in a Residential Home for the Elderly. And I am 46years old incidentally.
That's right Benidorm there is a scale. 16 - 17 year olds £3.00 per hour increasing to £3.30 per hour October 2006, 18-21 year olds £4.25 per hour increasing to £4.45 per hour October 2006 and 22 and over £5.05 per hour increasing to £5.35 per hour October 2006.
Surely if they make all these deductions from their wages should they not have to supply them with decent food and adequate accomodation in return - not the sub-standard accomodation that Brit5alpha's daughter is living in?.
Also surely if the company you work for wants you to wear a uniform should they not supply it free of charge. My son is a personal trainer and has to wear a 'uniform', but the gym supply it at no cost to him.
Rgds Jackie
No firm paying that poor a wage (and they will pay it as they can get away with it because its the "law") can whine about not being able to keep staff or recruit decent staff, hard working staff or any other excuse firms like to trot out.
The care industry is notoriously one of the worst BHIC.. but even then, i was on more than minimum wage per hour many years ago..
Minimum wage it's helped some people - those in shops and pubs where they were getting away with paying £3.00 per hour or whatever they chose for mainly casual workers. Cleaning staff also were often on a very low wage. On a full time job it works out as less than £11K per year, but then look in the local papers and they're only offering £13K for graduates going into junior management/marketing roles. And £11K is the cut off point for working tax credits for a single person (you get no help if you earn £11K and live alone).
Anyway, going off topic here - it would be interesting to know what's on the payslips of reps if they're only taking home what works out as £31 per week if you calculate it as a 39 hour week (I'm presuming that all these extra hours aren't paid for?).
The minimum wage thing is the minimum that people should be earning. It is a guide line for all the skinflint employers out there.
When my son was 17 and doing his NVQ's to become a personal trainer the gym he worked for then paid him the minumum wage for his age, which as you say is pittance; but they were paying for his training so couldn't complain. Now at the age of 19 (almost 20) he is fully qualified and earns more than 5 x the minimum wage.
When you think of BHIC at his age (no offence BHIC) earning £5.25 per hour in the care industry it is disgusting.
Rgds Jackie
We have lote of people giving personal opinions without knowing all the facts.
As I have already said she needs to seek advice.
Is she employed in the UK but based abroad?
Is she employed abroad but paid in the UK?
Is she on a fixed term contract?
These are things only she knows.
Some information can be found here regarding minimum wage in Europe.
http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/2005/07/study/tn0507101s.html
A call to the Inland Revenue will answer some of the questions - For tax purposes there will be special rules that apply to her occupation. That is the starting point.
It may be that some think minimum wage is disgusting - perhaps, but there are millions who only get that - The Minimum.
fwh
Problem is in low paid industries like for example being a rep is that it is a job that a lot of people aspire to do - so they can get away with it (okay so we know the reality is often different and many don't stick at it for a whole season), because they have no problem recruiting.
Your post is correct in the fact that we are only giving our personal experiences which may not relate to those of Brit5alpha's daughter. We are in no way saying that we know all the facts in her case but a bit of insight into other peoples experiences may help her ask the right questions when she seeks advice.
We are only trying to help as you are, although in a different way.
And yes you are right, there are millions of people who only earn the minimum wage but it does not stop it from being disgusting that companies can actually pay this.
Rgds Jackie
Perhaps, she should state her gross annual wage she is earning and state the deductions the Company makes each month for food and accomodation in order for us to draw a conclusion on whether the wage paid is fair.
As to the number of hours worked per week. There is a working time directive in force that prohibits a worker being forced to work over 48 hrs per week unless the worker signs a disclaimer and wants to opt out of the WTD.
Mark
Please also remember that she is stating £ 0.80 per hour. Perhaps she worked this out by dividing her weekly wage by the very excessive hours she does?
Not uncommon these days for a lot of people. The salary may look good, but if you divide by the number of hours you put in then you often wonder if it is worth it.
fwh
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