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:tut sand c, you should be hanging your head in shame, and that didnt seem like much of an apology. how good you are at your job does not depend on how well you spell- try being awake for that length of time and see how coherent you are!!!
I for one would love to have a rep like your daughter britalpha- as i mentioned in my pm to you, she sounds amazing, shame others dont think the same.
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:bhead

When I said get back on topic, I just meant that...... no more comments about spelling/grammar please.
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MarkJ HT Mod
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is it not illegal to work so many hours none stop without a break :?: Under some european law or another, you cannot finish one shift at work and then start another without at least a 9 hour break. I also have a vague rememberence of a 48 hour week law being in force unless you worked for an industry that was exempt and had also signed a waver form to say you were happy to work more than 48 hours per week.

I cannot believe that TO's should be allowed to get away with such exploitation of labour :shock: Who on earth is going to be capable of producing high standards of customer care after so little rest time and so little sleep.

What your daughter does is even more remarkable to say she has so little time away from her job to recover. Even if she does not sleep, she needs time off away from the job just to get away from it and switch off from whining customers and solving problems.

Brit5alpha.. has your daughter been made to sign such a waver form regarding 48 hours a week work.. or do TO's operate under a separate Health and Safety working employment law to the rest of europe?
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Val

Do they not also come under the minimum wage rule?

Brit5alpha
Please don't take this the wrong way, it is said with the best intentions.

Whilst I admire what your daughter does; the long hours, dealing with whinging customers, the wages and the conditions she lives in etc. I'm sorry but I really can't see how she can be happy. In her post she states that it is not the conditions or the pay that have made her think about leaving but the way she is treated by her guests. Her whole post is very negative and does not sound like it is written by someone who truly loves their job, but by someone who is trying to convince others that she loves it,(perhaps you so that you do not worry too much) I am sorry but if that was a daughter of mine I would do everything in my power to get her out.
If she loves the job or not the conditions of her work and accomodation are not fit for an animal. She is obviously a very caring person and there are plenty of jobs where that kind of person is needed that offer better pay and conditions and where her 'guests' would also have the respect for her that she obviously deserves.

Rgds Jackie
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Forgot about the minimum wage rule Jackie... now assuming that Brit5alpha's daughter is over 21, wouldn't minimum wage be somewhere roundabout £5.40 per hour. Under 21 .. i haven't a clue what it is, when i worked in the private sector in care, the firm paid all workers the same rate regardless of age.

Is the minimum wage rule just for the UK? Is the TO a uk based firm or are they bending the rules as their reps mostly work abroad?

I would love to see a "real" fly on the wall documentary regarding reps and what they do instead of all the stuff we have seen before that paints a picture of reps out on the lash all the time encouraging guests to get hammered and degrade themselves in party games involving lots of booze and no inhibitions...
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hi to you ..val and rob... :) you had some good and valid points there,. i wonder if there is anyone who could answer them,. it would be interesting from a legal stand point.............regards......john-doe
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In my first post on this topic I asked the same question.

The 1998 act refers to people employed within the UK.

I suggested then and do so again - ask the question. A call to the Inland Revenue should point you in the right direction.

As she is paid in the UK then they should be able to advise, or at least put you in touch with someone who can. A case of making some telephone calls.

Data Protection Act will apply, they will not discuss her details with you, but if you explain the reason for your enquiry they can tell you what the law is.

fwh
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The thing is about this 48 hour working week ruling is that in some industries, and in some firms, you are just expected to work over and above, and if you're not prepared to - if you make a fuss - they'll find some way to get rid of you. There are many hundreds of businesses who are well aware of the employment laws, but many employees are too dependent on their jobs to rock the boat. Anyone who bucks the trend by stating their rights and laws is seen as a troublemaker. This also goes for a lot of firms who work 7 days per week - anyone can refuse to work Sundays as it is still the UK official day of rest/religious break. You have to state this when you start the job (you can't just suddenly say I'm not working Sundays for example) and the employer is not allowed to make you work. However, many employees are unaware that they can even do this.

I suspect that with rep jobs this is exactly the case. So far as the pay goes - I understand that it may start off at a minimum wage (is this perhaps lower than ours in different countries - do some tour operators pay them the rate for the country they are working in rather than the UK rate?), but they deduct accommodation expenses, food expenses, even uniform expenses?
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I understand that there are different levels of 'National Minimum Wage' in the UK which will depend on the age of the Employee. From what I can gather, the current rates are as follows:

Adults (which means people aged 22 and over) receive the full rate of £5.05 an hour.

A 'development rate' of £4.25 an hour is paid to Employees aged 18 to 21 inclusive.

Having said that, I was informed that the hourly rate for the job I am currentley doing is paid at the National Minimum Wage rate, but I receive £5.25 per hour. I'm a Care Worker in a Residential Home for the Elderly. And I am 46years old incidentally.
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That's right Benidorm there is a scale. 16 - 17 year olds £3.00 per hour increasing to £3.30 per hour October 2006, 18-21 year olds £4.25 per hour increasing to £4.45 per hour October 2006 and 22 and over £5.05 per hour increasing to £5.35 per hour October 2006.
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Sand C

Surely if they make all these deductions from their wages should they not have to supply them with decent food and adequate accomodation in return - not the sub-standard accomodation that Brit5alpha's daughter is living in?.
Also surely if the company you work for wants you to wear a uniform should they not supply it free of charge. My son is a personal trainer and has to wear a 'uniform', but the gym supply it at no cost to him.

Rgds Jackie
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that is such a poor rate for a minimum wage. How on earth are people expected to make ends meet when the cost of living is so high in this country? and what is the old phrase.. if you pay peanuts you get monkeys?

No firm paying that poor a wage (and they will pay it as they can get away with it because its the "law") can whine about not being able to keep staff or recruit decent staff, hard working staff or any other excuse firms like to trot out.

The care industry is notoriously one of the worst BHIC.. but even then, i was on more than minimum wage per hour many years ago..
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I was just guessing really Jackie. I'm really not sure. Most places do pay for any uniforms you might have, but others I have heard do take a deduction of sorts, I'm sure I heard that about building socities/banks, although I could be wrong. Another example is nurses and hospital staff - they have to pay for parking and its deducted from their salary. Disgusting as it is.

Minimum wage it's helped some people - those in shops and pubs where they were getting away with paying £3.00 per hour or whatever they chose for mainly casual workers. Cleaning staff also were often on a very low wage. On a full time job it works out as less than £11K per year, but then look in the local papers and they're only offering £13K for graduates going into junior management/marketing roles. And £11K is the cut off point for working tax credits for a single person (you get no help if you earn £11K and live alone).

Anyway, going off topic here - it would be interesting to know what's on the payslips of reps if they're only taking home what works out as £31 per week if you calculate it as a 39 hour week (I'm presuming that all these extra hours aren't paid for?).
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Val

The minimum wage thing is the minimum that people should be earning. It is a guide line for all the skinflint employers out there.

When my son was 17 and doing his NVQ's to become a personal trainer the gym he worked for then paid him the minumum wage for his age, which as you say is pittance; but they were paying for his training so couldn't complain. Now at the age of 19 (almost 20) he is fully qualified and earns more than 5 x the minimum wage.

When you think of BHIC at his age (no offence BHIC) earning £5.25 per hour in the care industry it is disgusting.

Rgds Jackie
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There is a lot of conjecture here.

We have lote of people giving personal opinions without knowing all the facts.

As I have already said she needs to seek advice.

Is she employed in the UK but based abroad?

Is she employed abroad but paid in the UK?

Is she on a fixed term contract?

These are things only she knows.

Some information can be found here regarding minimum wage in Europe.

http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/2005/07/study/tn0507101s.html

A call to the Inland Revenue will answer some of the questions - For tax purposes there will be special rules that apply to her occupation. That is the starting point.

It may be that some think minimum wage is disgusting - perhaps, but there are millions who only get that - The Minimum.

fwh
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Problem is in low paid industries like for example being a rep is that it is a job that a lot of people aspire to do - so they can get away with it (okay so we know the reality is often different and many don't stick at it for a whole season), because they have no problem recruiting.
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FWH

Your post is correct in the fact that we are only giving our personal experiences which may not relate to those of Brit5alpha's daughter. We are in no way saying that we know all the facts in her case but a bit of insight into other peoples experiences may help her ask the right questions when she seeks advice.

We are only trying to help as you are, although in a different way.

And yes you are right, there are millions of people who only earn the minimum wage but it does not stop it from being disgusting that companies can actually pay this.

Rgds Jackie
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Please also remember that she is stating £ 0.80 per hour. Perhaps she worked this out by dividing her weekly wage by the very excessive hours she does? Perhaps this wage is the net wage, rather than the gross wage per hour?

Perhaps, she should state her gross annual wage she is earning and state the deductions the Company makes each month for food and accomodation in order for us to draw a conclusion on whether the wage paid is fair.

As to the number of hours worked per week. There is a working time directive in force that prohibits a worker being forced to work over 48 hrs per week unless the worker signs a disclaimer and wants to opt out of the WTD.

Mark :D
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Please also remember that she is stating £ 0.80 per hour. Perhaps she worked this out by dividing her weekly wage by the very excessive hours she does?


Not uncommon these days for a lot of people. The salary may look good, but if you divide by the number of hours you put in then you often wonder if it is worth it.

fwh
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