Get a grip.

We have gone through all this rubbish in Ireland.

Publicans said we will provide non smoking areas. We will improve ventilation for the benifit of staff. Too little too late.

Set a foot in Dublin airport. You want to smoke. Fair enough. Where is the smoking area? Outside on the foot path. You cannot smoke anywhere inside the airport complex. In there, people are employed. they don't need your second hand smoke. Even if they are smokers themselves.

We were told that all the hotels towards the north of the republic would close because wedding and functions etc would all travel to the north of Ireland. We now have a situation where the government in the north of Ireland are considering even barring smoking in certain public open parks, where children congregate.

My daughter and husband went out for a meal recently, in France. Not many tables. They don't smoke. The 4 tables which surrounded them had people smoking. My son in law, remarked that they must have been given a table in the non smoking area!

I was at a wedding recently. 200 guests. All the usual. Wonderful reception. Must have cost a fortune. You want to smoke? By all means, smoke away, all you like. Outside on the footpath please. Its raining!! Its snowing!! outside please.

The 70% non smoking population are in the driving seat.

We have the lowest level of unemployment in the E.U. We have one of the lowest rates of inflation. We have a CELTIC TIGER.

We have the greatest prosperity,

That's a fact.

If you want to smoke , outside please.

Regards,

Billyboy.

its a dirty filthy mucky disgusting habit

Billyboy
I thought we were talking about Spain, which is a far bigger country than Ireland, and nearly 40% of its economy depends on tourism.

We have the lowest level of unemployment in the E.U. We have one of the lowest rates of inflation.

It sounds good on paper.
It is true that in the UK we have low inflation (approx 3%) Low Interest Rates (4.5%) and low unemployment....but, there is a price to pay, if utility companies can increase their prices by 15% and public transport by the same, and council tax being annually increased by 5% +
Yet, treasury officials insisting the normal wage increases should be no more than 3% for public service workers, then you end up with a higher cost of living and less personal available income.
Ireland leads the way in this situation

Civil liberties and human rights organisations are ferociously defending all sorts of issues, and yet I as a smoker am resigned to decide whether I have a drink or a cigarette, but I can't have both.!!!!

its a dirty filthy mucky disgusting habit

Totally agree....HABIT being the operative word.! of which the Spanish population have been told that they will receive NO help in kicking.

Funnily enough though Peter, I think some human beings are filthy, disgusting, mucky and ought to stand outside.
People who force smokers out of pubs, so that they can take their children into them, and breed a generation of alcoholics.
Alcoholics who cost the NHS more than smokers, and inflict more damage on society, with battered wives, broken homes, mentally/physically scarred children, organ transplant and dialysis, drink driving and yob culture...blah blah blah.

I`m not getting into the anti-smoking brigades tunnel vision mentality, so this is my last word.

besos xxx
Sanji

Just popping out in the sunshine for a ciggy

Funnily enough though Peter, I think some human beings are filthy, disgusting, mucky and ought to stand outside.

I am married to a smoker. Margaret works with children and NEVER dreams of lighting up at work not even outside. She can go 4-5 hours on flights without needing a drag and when dining out is more than happy to sit in a non smoking area.

We used a favourite restaurant in Tenerife over New Year who had already built a separate room for smokers and as we were dining with smoking friends we opted to sit in smokers area. Everyone smokers and non smokers seemed happy with the new arrangements.

Give it time it will settle down and you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

The fact of the matter is that this is Spain and not Britain.Once the furore has died down and the EU think they have had their way,things will revert back to usual.Yes there will be signs but they will be ignored.As Sanji says `money talks`...it sure do

Just nipping out for another...

I was considering the closing of this topic as it has been running for a week but I'll let it go until this weekend and then close.

Children under 16 are definately NOT allowed in smoking bars

just heard, that this law does not apply in the canaries,
anyone know different?
A1 x

I just Googled smoking ban & Canaries to see what answer I could find for Arona1 ... and came across an unusual link
http://you-are-the-target.com/TCC.html
which puts into perspective what this is really all about ... workers rights to be protected from second hand smoke ... I think both Spain & the UK are misguided in proposing smoking areas indoors in bars, restaurants etc... someone still has to serve the drinks, food whatever. And no, you can't solve this with extraction systems .... anything vaguely effective is just too expensive to be practical for the average bar & cafe

you are quiet right.

The smoking ban is about the rights of staff, even staff who smoke.

I couldn't care less about what folk do to there health, but why should staff have to put up with this second hand smoke.

If the man beside you is snorting coke, it isn't going up your nose.

As regards this new law getting lost in time, do remember that once non smokers get used to fresh air when they are in pubs etc, they quickly become like police and will report breaches to the health dept.

We have found over here, in Ireland, that even staff who smoke themselves, now welcome the new ban,

Regards,

Billyboy.

If a no smoking bar was so welcome, there would be loads of bars busting at the seams already enforcing the rule.

This topic could run forever and no agreement would be reached.

Everyone "including smokers" has rights

Chill

Lawson

I used to be a smoker
And sit and puff and puff
I never really mastered it
Or sucked or blew enough.

I'd pose in raincoat like Bacall
Trying to look suave and cool
But a fit of coughing would explode
When I 'Put my lips together and 'blowed'" (Well it rhymes!)

I tried my 'French connections'-
Gitanes and Disque Bleu
Aped Maigret when he lit up:
Match on the wall or shoe.

My Mum objected to the smell
My dad said 'Foreign stuff!
As he rolled his Rizlas
"Look- tobacco's better rough!"

I tried the coloured cocktail cigs.
To match my every dress
And minty menthol burned the tongue
Which made me smoke much less.

I stayed a while with small cheroots
In Denmark tried a pipe,
But still could not inhale well-
Perhaps I'm not the type!

I gave up smoking long ago.
Don't have to suck and puff.
I understand how smokers feel
That they should have a fair deal.
But please don't smoke around my space!
Find yourselves a nearby place.
My sinuses will not recover...
or....
Is it 'cos chocolate's taken over?

Margaretta

Margaretta....

Margaretta

Since 1st Jan I have to go outside to smoke at work.

Whilst my office is of no interest to our guests (I'm an IT Manager in a Tenerife resort complex), my initial worries were that upon returning to my office after a nice ciggy outside by the pool - in the sun - I would find it full of non smoking guests enjoying the fresh air conditioned ambiance in an attempt to avoid the open pool area that is now full of smokers! However i am pleased to say this fear has in fact been on the whole... unfounded
Keep up the convo while I'm out having a ciggy guys, back in 5

Do you work extra hours to make up time due to smoking

It's "live & let live" Spain, not the "greedy time grabbing" UK. I'll ask in the next management meeting. I suspect it will be met with tumbleweed esk scilence

Makum,

Nice to read your comments re smoking. It is just an extention of what has been happening for some time. We all smoked in cinemas, in hospitals, on buses, in planes, in supermarkets-now we don't.

I remember been surprised when the ban came into force in Ireland, an American multi national even banned smoking in the car park belonging to the firm, even though it was out door, and large enough for 1000 cars,

Regards,

Billyboy.