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By not paying the balance when it is due you run the risk of loss of deposit and cancellation fees.

I accept if the shop said they could do it then it should have been done, however it seems a lot of extra hassle and paperwork for them for no financial gain. Do they not sell gift vouchers which would have been a less complicated way of doing this.

Kind Regards
Stewart
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I'm considering cancelling it anyway. I'm worried if I do I will have no comeback on them in regards to a complaint though. It has been very embarrassing having to ask people (guests) if they have paid anything. If they have it makes us look ungrateful. If they haven't it makes it look like we're getting at them.

We saw it elsewhere where they advertised that people can pay a wedding honeymoon thing off. If they said it couldn't be done then fair enough. But the whole thing feels like it has been a catalogue of errors, plus the staff are ignorant and very unhelpful when we try to get anywhere.

We thought they would give the payer a receipt with something just like the ref number and date and amount and method paid. Thats what they said they would do anyway. If they had been more helpful when we went to the shop we probably would have thought different. But there whole attitude was like 'tough, its your own hard lines'. They said sorry but they weren't exactly apologetic in the manner in which it was said.
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This really should be in another thread so others can advise.

My thoughts:

It seems like probably your inexperienced staff dealing with payments in a way they have not been trained to do.

Compensation:

For what ? Embarrasment with friends ? I am not sure this will be cause for compensation I expect Thomas Cook to say no so is it a matter you would take to court and would you win ?

Data Protection It seems like they have done many things wrong here including possibly breaking the law. This would be a case for the authorities against Thomas Cook again I am not sure you would qualify for compensation here, I think you would need leagl advice on this.

Have they allocated all the funds paid by friends to your holiday ? If not and you can prove it then there could be a case to answer.

How much do you stand to lose if you cancel ? Just the deposit paid or all the extra money already paid in by your friends and family, would this not be worse if people find out they have paid towards your holiday but you have lost this money by cancelling.

Taking the emotions out for compensation it needs to be a clear what you feel the compensation is for, embarrasment with friends over payment may not be a strong case.

Kind Regards

Stewart
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Deposit would be £220 so at worst we would lose that as long as we don't leave it too long. Holiday cost approx £4k, we have about £800 left outstanding. I've just had a look and similar holidays seem to be about £8k! We booked it about 18 months ago. We have to do this as my wife is a teacher so we can only go in the school hols when the prices are inflated anyway. I am now thinking after realising the cost of similar hols to pay it anyway and pursue it in the meantime/after to see what I can get. As I said, if they had given me a list of the transactions (not necessarily with the names of who made them but the amount/date/method of payment so I could attempt to suss work some out) on the account at the time I would have been fine. Mistakes happen. But it is the ‘don't give a sh1t, can't be ar$ed trying to help' attitude of the shop that is making it worse for us. I am considering small claims, I've done it before (albeit for work, not my money!) and won. In fact I expect they wouldn't bother fighting it and would do an out of court settlement...I hope! I just want the list of transactions"¦.It is so frustrating they can't/won't even give me that!

It has also put a marr on our honeymoon. We should be excited about it. Not worried about collecting our tickets in case of conflict!
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By the way, we have no idea if they have allocated funds paid by our guests. Even if we collect receipts off everyone, we can't match it up without the list of transactions.
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I would send a copy of this letter of complaint to all your wedding guests with a note apologizing for the situation and asking for confirmation of any donations.

I would not let this ruin my honeymoon. I would also not loose my deposit as you loose out even more.
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Hi

I know this won't help you but may help others in your situation. Thomas Cook sell gift vouchers that you can redeme against their holidays and other services so they could just ask their guests to purchase them for them so that way they'd have an acurate list of who had given what and there would be no way any privilaged information could be given out.

I'm a little surprised in fact that your travel agent didn't suggest it when you first made the arrangment as it would have been less work for them and probably been simpler too.

I do howover echo the people above and say that your honeymoon is a once in a lifetime experience so don't let this spoil it.
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Yes i have used purchased Thomas Cook gift vouchers before as wedding presents. One word of warning they make a charge for using credit and debit cards on them. So i used cash. ;)
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What a mess. I'm sure the agency had good intentions when they agreed to take payments as form or a wedding gift. Maybe they thought just a few payments would be made, who knows. How many guests did you have? I can't imagine them agreeing if they considered it would be small amounts made by 100 people for example. Think of the extra admin costs.

I'd send a card to every wedding guests saying "we'd like to say thank you for to everyone who contributed to our holiday". I'm sorry to sound harsh, but if you wanted to keep track of individual payments and how much every paid, you should have opened a savings account and then transfered the money to the travel company in one lump sum. No wonder there is confusion.
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If you have a complaint about the Data Protection issue then you can make a complaint to the Commissioner - details here.

http://www.ico.gov.uk/

I rather think that the problem lies with their system when collecting payments in small amounts. When applied against an account then the receipt probably prints all the details which would not matter if it was you making the payment. They obviously need to review their system.

Cancellation is a matter personal to you, but having booked it so far in front it seems to me that you would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Your wife may have made a telephone call but to be honest I would have confirmed the call in writing - Recorded delivery - the same day. Not excusing but I would have wanted more information before I called you back which would involve tracing the matter through the system - any reply given on a call returned as you say would have caused more problems. It does not of course excuse someone not writing to you.

Compensation? I would say not.

fwh
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My guess is the staff haven't been trained properly in that branch.
The normal procedure is to give the card slip to the person who has made the payment and send the full receipt with the holiday details on to the lead name on the booking. They should not have given a full receipt with your details on to anyone apart from you.

If people have paid by debit or credit card the TC store will be able look in the payment history and tell you who has paid what. When putting a card payment through on the system they would have had to put a cardholder name in. Therefore this would only leave you needing to figure out who the cash payments were from. This is probably what customer services will suggest when you send your complaint letter.

If you cancel the holiday you could stand to lose more than the deposit. Who is the actual holiday booked with? Thomas Cook? or another tour operator through Thomas Cook? In the Thomas Cook booking conditions it states that any booking if cancelled more than 56 days prior to departure will be loss of deposit. Once you get to the 56 days the charges start going up. If TC don't have enough money to cover the cancellation charges they will cancel the holiday.

I hope this helps.
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I also forgot to add:
For the future it's so much easier just to ask for vouchers.
The TC computer systems aren't really geared up for lots of payments from different people therefore it's really easy to lose track of who has paid what. Especially when there are lots of payments going through. Also if people went into other TC branches to pay money off the members of staff in that branch wouldn't have known it was a honeymoon/wedding present so wouldn't have put a note in the booking stating who has paid what amount.
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First of all I want to get a list of all the transactions that have taken place on my booking


In my opinion, for what it's worth, then why didn't you clearly state this at the start of your long letter, not buried near the end.

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And second I would like some financial compensation due to the stress and embarrasment this has caused


Then you should have said so in your letter with an outline of what you consider suitable recompense.
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I think to be honest just go on your honeymoon and enjoy. Worrying about Data Protection etc seems a little too extreme as the information has only been given to friends who are unlikely to make any untoward use of it. Personally I think that their systems just print out a receipt with holiday details and to expect staff each time to make separate records does appear to be a little harsh. If you wanted to know the individual amounts why did you just not ask for the money from guests and explain it would be spent on your honeymoon. Also to suggest other payments have been made and not credited to your holiday I would imagine would involve tallying up the total paid by various guests to the balance remaining. I ask why you have not paid the £800 off as it is getting near to the date of travel?

I am normally on the side of the traveller but I feel that too much was expected on this occasion.
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To be honest I don't think the Data Protection Act has been broken. The information re your holiday was only given to FRIENDS of YOURS, (and CLOSE friends at that) who were paying towards your holiday. Do you not think they have the right to know what they have paid towards? What do you think they are going to do with this information? Turn up uninvited on your holiday? If I were paying towards a holiday/honeymoon I would want to know where the holiday was and what proportion of the holiday cost I was paying towards. The only fault I see that the shop has is that they did not suggest that gift vouchers could be purchased..........

Denny
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Thanks for all your comments. In hindsight it would have been better to ask for vouchers. I have bought vouchers also for people. We did ask all this when we went to the travel agent but they assured us they could do what we asked. Which is why we went ahead with the request.

As I said before i understand mistakes happen, everyone is human and for the info to be relayed on the notes page it can be difficult. We were given names of 2 people who would be there at all times (not both, one or the other) who would be aware of the requirements (barring absence due to sickness). It is the culmination of the mistakes and the attitude of the staff. To resolve it, I would have been happy with a list of the transactions, but they tell me they can't do that.

The holiday is with Virgin, I'm not sure how it works but are they the tour operator or is that Thomas Cook?
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As for Data Protection. I used to work in a call centre, we had to ask for the customer. We couldn't tell anyone where we were from or what we were after. We couldn't even leave a message saying 'could you ask him/her to give [company name] a call'.

On that basis, I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas Cook sent me a letter saying the letter had to come from the lead passenger who's name the booking was made in (my wife).
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Joey Tribiani wrote:
The holiday is with Virgin, I'm not sure how it works but are they the tour operator or is that Thomas Cook?


In that case Thomas Cook is the agent and Virgin Holidays (I presume the whole package was booked from a Virgin Holidays brochure and not just the flights with Virgin Atlantic) is the Tour Operator.

Your contract is effectively with Virgin Holidays, not Thomas Cook.

Mark :)
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As for Data Protection. I used to work in a call centre, we had to ask for the customer. We couldn't tell anyone where we were from or what we were after. We couldn't even leave a message saying 'could you ask him/her to give [company name] a call'.


I too have to work within similar constraints to those you describe above but I think your situation is different with Thomas Cook in that in order to make this payment system work, you will have had to give your friends and family the reference number for your holiday booking and that number gives access to the full account details. It's not good practice I agree but I suspect that it could be argued that having given them that number you have given them permission to access your account and hence TC have not technically broken the law.

I've only this morning agreed to provide a reference for an ex-student of mine who is now applying for another degree course. In order to ensure that this is done ahead of the deadline, she has provided me with the reference number and password that will allow me to access her UCAS application on line so that I can download my reference direct. This does not consitute a breach of the Data Protection law on the part of UCAS because by giving me this information she has implicitly given me permission to access her application and I suspect that the Commissioner might take the same view in your instance. Similarly, in agreeing to apply part of the cost of your holiday to their credit/debit cards, TC might be able to argue that your friends and family had implicitly given permission for this information to held in connection with your account and that because it is your account, that you permission to know this too.

Regards,

Sue
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