Dear Forum, I'd appreciate any advice as to whether you feel we have a case to pursue here and how best to proceed. (In an effort to spare your retinas, I'll try my best to make this the short version. But I think you might still need to put the kettle on first. )
We returned from a Thomson (budget) holiday in Corfu a couple of months ago and as we'd had problems, we went straight into our local high street branch the next day to complain.
Our complaints centered around the poor service we'd received from the rep (sorry..."Holiday Adviser") on site, who turned up so badly hung over to our "welcome meeting" that she was barely able to function and with whom we booked three excursions.
The evening before the first excursion, the rep arrived to tell us it had been canceled due to lack of interest. Then despite assurances that the others would not meet similar fates, she arrived at a similar time the evening before the second excursion with the same sorry tale. At this point we canceled the third excursion ourselves.
Putting aside the obvious inconvenience of the canceled trips, the problem for us was that we were informed of the cancellations too late for us to make our own alternative arrangements, effectively leaving us stranded with nothing to do for half our holiday.
The whole holiday was affected though. Both because the arrangements we were able to make as an alternative for the third trip, had to be made via a local travel agent in cash, thus forcing us to make alternative money arrangements and because the time spent "kicking our heels" left us stressed and unable to properly enjoy what little fun we were able to eek out of the remaining holiday.
The main points we raised with the manager of Thomsons local branch on our return were that;
* The Rep was too badly hung over that first day to effectively do her job, which may or may not have had caused a problem with the bookings she made.
* The system in place from Thomson to advice customers of cancellations is obviously inadequate if we were not informed until it was too late for us to make our own arrangements.
* The rep showed little or no aptitude for customer care, with both poor service on delivery of the news and a complete failure to follow up afterward to see what if anything we were arranging ourselves.
(The first time she arrived dressed as a schoolgirl and obviously more concerned with not missing her coach to that nights party than helping us at all. The second time she arrived dripping wet having just been "thrown in the pool" a hazard which we observed over the course of the week, she seemed somewhat inept at avoiding.)
* The local travel agent we booked with in the end, told us that there was absolutely no reason for any of the trips to have been canceled. Telling us that if she booked a trip for one person alone, the company concerned would collect them as per her ongoing contract with them. Thus Thomsons needs to review either the companies used, or it's arrangement with them.
The manager at our local branch appeared horrified when we told her all the details and assured us we were right to complain. If we would commit our complaint to paper and bring it in to her on the following Monday, she would chase it for us herself. We left feeling better at having been heard and that we'd made the right choice by bringing it to her attention.
I wrote a five A4 page account the next day and returned it to the branch on Monday at which point I was informed that the complaint "could" take as long as twenty eight days to receive a response.
Having heard nothing toward the end of this period, we went in again just to follow up and encountered a quite different response. This time the manager (who you'll remember was going to chase it through for us personally) told us she had said it "would" take twenty eight days, not that it "could", but that she would chase it for us the following week. Subsequently she informed us that head office had "lost" our complaint and as it had effectively never arrived to be dealt with, we would have to wait another twenty eight days!
Our comment that as far as we were concerned the twenty eight days started from the moment we handed it in to her, was met with concerned nods and platitudes.
Too late to cut this long story short of corse, but suffice to say that about three weeks later we did receive a reply (by email) from Thomsons. Who started by thanking us for our email (not the best start since we never sent one) and saying how sorry they were that we felt let down. But then went on to ignore 99% of my original letter, concentrating solely on the trip cancellations and stating that these were occasionally subject to cancellation as stated in the small print on the booking forms (Which we never had since the rep did all that, but that is completely beside the point).
So staggering was the mark by which they seemed to have missed the point and so surprising was the fact that they made absolutely no comment about most of what I'd written, that I replied immediately saying that I could only assume that this person had not actually read my original letter and that this coupled with the fact that they had "lost" the query in the first place had now successfully converted us from "upset" to "angry". I suggested she obtain an original copy as soon as possible and read it properly before replying again.
They did mention that the rep in question was no longer with the company, but made no mention as to why. But in any case I responded by saying that whether or not she was still employed by them had no bearing on the matter as our complaint was with Thomsons, not with the individual rep, who's failings were ultimately down to poor management in any case. An obvious case of a party girl who was left with too much autonomy when she really needed proper supervision.
We gave her till the end of the following business week to reply to our satisfaction, at which point we would be looking into presenting our complaint to which ever official body was appropriate as well as taking legal advice.
A second reply was forthcoming much more quickly this time. But this again completely ignored most of my comments. Settling again on the actual trip cancellations and saying in as many words that as they are covered in the small print, this was the end of the matter as far as Thomson are concerned.
So there you have it, a long and sorry saga brought to you by the company who "build holidays with you in mind". An irony is that had we been dealt with in a timely and considerate fashion in the first place, we would probably have been content with a sympathetic ear and perhaps some vouchers. But now after they've treated us so shabbily and dismissively, we feel that we want a full apology covering all our original points, compensation for a spoiled holiday and frankly even then we feel like we want to shout about this loudly enough that people can see how they behave.
We ruled out Abta as our next move as I've read that we might incur a significant cost if they get involved. So we're thinking "Citizens Advice" to begin with and take it from there.
Grateful for any thoughts and suggestions?
Badger
First and foremost:
Having been to corfu- many times (Infact every year for past 3 years)- I can assure you it is much cheaper to book your trips with the local agents. For example a boat trip we booked cost 18Euro locally- with thomson it was 42E. So quite a difference in price.
I think the most you'll get is an apology. The rep informed you the evening before for 2 of the trips the 3rd one you cancelled. Which resort in Corfu where you staying & what are the details of the 2 cancelled trips?
I'm sorry that the advice you've received from us won't be what you want to hear and I do sympathize with what happened to you but looking at it from Thoimson's point of view, I'm afraid you won't get very far unless I'm completely wrong
I'm not really sure what you want Thomsons to do. I'm sure they are within their rights to cancel excursions if there are not enough takers. I'm sure you could have arranged something else and as for having "nothing to do for half the holiday" I find that hard to believe - a litttle bit of initiative goes a long way. I certainly don't think you can claim for "compensation for a spoilt holiday".
Remember that Corfu can be a 'party island' and as such I suspect the rep was involved in the 18-30 type events which is probably why she arrived in unusual dress.
You start off by saying this was a 'budget' holiday - perhaps that is where the problem lies.
Pippa
Your problem with the rep mirrors in some way our experience earlier this year in Turkey, although ours was being able to make contact. The 28 days is standard, and quite reasonable in many cases as they need to gather information before they can reply. The fact that your letter was lost in inexcusable. My letter, that was one and a half pages covering three areas of complaint was handed in at the branch, copied by them and forwarded on. The whole thing took 7 weeks and resulted in a voucher for £100.
Personally I would start again on this. Take you 5 pages and edit it down - drastically - One page should cover it and a brief covering letter asking them if they will reconsider their response.
Yes trips do get cancelled but the fact they make such a great deal about the advantages of booking with them rather than the agent down the street does, in my opinion, place a responsibility upon them to try to transfer you onto another TOs organised trip. Something I have known happen.
The rep is your point of contact for "any problem" and the fact they are no longer with the company indicates that others also have complained. Not your concern. The TO has a responsibility to provide the service they advertise. They failed to do so.
Have another go at them - going to ABTA will not solve anything.
fwh
The five pages were too much as you quite rightly point out. The trap I fell into was to follow the instructions of the high street manager, who told me to go away and write it up word for word as we had just explained it to her in a rather lengthy meeting, which is exactly what I did and which of course was also therapeutic to a degree I suppose. In retrospect though bullet points would have been far more appropriate.
As to the issue of trip cancellations. The poor customer practice aside, this was never really the issue. Rather it was the way it was dealt with and the fact that we were informed too late to arrange alternatives. On both occasions we went straight down to the town and visited the two or three travel agents on the main drag, only to be told that we were too late to book anything. On the second occasion we were able to book a trip in advance, having already canceled our third excursion (suspecting it would go the same way as the others had) and so on the Thursday I think it was, we got to go island hopping.
I don't have any doubt that legally Thomsons are within their rights to cancel under subscribed trips, but this isn't really the point either. It's either Thomsons policy to advice customers of canceled trips at the last possible moment, or their procedures are inadequate for collating and returning information, or it was a failure of the rep concerned to provide proper customer care. Either way we were left high and dry and without any attempt at onward support from Thomsons.
Pippa mentioned that perhaps the fact that it was a "budget" holiday (about £500 in all, not really "budget" to us but obviously the cheaper end of the scale in wider terms.) and I think that's hit the nail squarely on the head. I can't deny that the experience left us feeling that as customers were were unimportant to Thomsons. I guess it's fair to say that like the song, "you get no bread with one meatball".
As to the schoolgirl thing, well she was certainly heading out to a themed party. Our problem there was that she was in such a rush to get away that no effort was made to help us resolve the problem. No time taken to make suggestions. In short no customer care.
Oh and it was Kavos in answer to Glynis's question.
Many thanks again for all your replies. As Shirly mentioned, perhaps not exactly what I was hoping to see, but none the less invaluable "feet planted firmly on the ground" advice. So definitely what I needed.
All the best
Badger
Too many people take exception when the replies they receive are not what they are hoping for and go as far as accusing the members of having other agendas or being in the pocket of the tour operators. That gets tiresome after the umpteenth time.
I hope that by taking the advice on board, and submitting a brief outline of the problems, you get a satisfactory response and result.
luci
Good post Luci, I totally agree and wish Badger the best of luck.
I would not recommend taking this complaint to ABTA Arbitration or to a county court, or you will find yourself incurring extra expense when you lose. The excursions were outside the package and not part of a contract, and I assume you received a full refund?
Whilst the amount of money you spent on a holiday shouldnt really come into it, the fact that you were in Kavos in a peak time for youngsters going clubbing (im assuming that you went in July judging by the timescale?) I wouldnt be surprised if you were indeed the only people to have signed up to a trip! And id imagine the reason why you werent notified about the excursion until the evening before is because they were hoping for some latecomers to sign up - if they'd have told you 2 days or so before the trip was about to take place, you probably would have been a bit peed because they werent trying!
Yes it is unprofessional for the rep to have turned up to the morning meeting hungover, but 98% of the Kavos tourists were probably in the same condition!
Try Thomsons one last time with a much shorter letter and see what happens. If they offer you £50 of your next holiday just to get you out of their hair, i'd probably take it as I really see this as something that you could take any further.
What I find really infuriating is that the TO's make such a play of how much safer and better it is to book all excursions through them and imply that we will be at the mercy of rogues and vagabonds if we book with the locals or 'go it alone' using local transport. The truth is of course that much of their income comes from these trips.
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